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U.S. Navy releases records of triple shooting suspect Christopher Dorner
ABC 10 News ^ | 02/07/2013 | Ellen McGregor

Posted on 02/07/2013 4:55:40 PM PST by Smogger

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To: Third Person
"Whitey made him snap."

Actually, I think it was more than that. He was an enforcement officer for a corrupt and degenerate system that tramples the truth and serves to perpetuate injustice over the very populace that pays its bills. When a system is based on lies, and discourages truth-telling, this is the result that should be expected. You've heard the saying, "the truth will out"? The truth in this matter finally came out and it was more than this former officer's mind could bear.

When you lay down with dogs, you're bound to get up with fleas.

101 posted on 02/08/2013 10:20:28 AM PST by semaj
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To: dr_lew
"However bad it might be, to murder two entirely innocent people just to spite someone who wronged him ..."

We need to realize that we are in a war and in war there are casualties. What war, you say? The war against lies and the truth, the war against good and evil. The LAPD has already taken sides by encouraging its members to lie, cheat and steal, and by holding in derision and contempt the very people it is sworn to protect.

By encouraging its members to perjure themselves they have declared who they really serve, namely, the father of lies. In no way would I consider this rogue cop to be a hero, but perhaps in this matter we will learn that the truth does matter. After all, there are now two "innocent" people very dead as a result of all the lies that have been told in this case.

102 posted on 02/08/2013 10:28:47 AM PST by semaj
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To: kiryandil

I’m talking about the consequences of his actions, not whether they were right or wrong. A probationary officer can keep his head down until he is off probation or he can risk his career fighting the system. He should have known what he was getting in to. A probationary officer can be fired for almost any reason.


103 posted on 02/08/2013 10:34:45 AM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Officers don’t earn “Good Conduct MEDALS.”


104 posted on 02/08/2013 10:37:27 AM PST by Ed Condon (Give 'em a heading, an altitude, and a reason.)
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To: peeps36
A rookie probationary officer should know he is asking for trouble if he squeals on a senior officer. He reported the female training officer for roughing up a handcuffed suspect. He lost the trust of almost every officer in that department when he did that.

It that how you gain trust in a LE organization? By covering up the illegal actions of your "brothers" (or sister, in this case.)

105 posted on 02/08/2013 10:39:00 AM PST by Half Vast Conspiracy (Based on a letter from an 8 year old…school is now illegal…”cuz it’s yuckey and dumb".)
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To: Almondjoy

I wasn’t reading really closely, but I remember him mentioning video of the incident in question.

If there wasn’t a reason to rough the guy up, then it was RIGHT of him to report the one who did it. If there was a reason, then the officer should have had no trouble explaining what had happened. But at least from what this guy said (which I realize is only half the story), it sounded like they didn’t really even bother to check into it but called him a “bully” and got rid of him because they didn’t want accountability.

As with every place, there are conscientious people and corrupt people, all together. What I most recently know about the LAPD is that an LAPD officer lied his butt off regarding the arsenic poisioning of Michael Cormier, a technician at the LA County Coroner’s Office who died the day that Breitbart’s autopsy was released, after being poisoned by arsenic 2 days earlier. Though arsenic poisoning leaves the ability to track down the perpetrator relatively easily, the LAPD did not investigate the leads that would have been available immediately. When a possible connection with Breitbart’s autopsy was raised, the LAPD cop stepped in to try to make it seem like Cormier really wasn’t poisoned - that the doctors thought it was a perforated bowel (a rapidly-fatal condition if untreated) so they sent him home at first. The fact that the poisoner did the poisoning in such an obvious way, as if they knew the police wouldn’t investigate.... followed by the police not investigating..... suggests more to the story. It suggests that the cops were in with the bad guys who poisoned Cormier. The lies to cover up what really happened seem to corroborate that appearance.

It sounds to me like this guy (Cormer?) believed that the only way to speak loud enough for anybody to confront a culture of corruption was by drawing a lot of blood.

A good question that could be asked is, “What - besides a lot of blood - WOULD confront the culture of corruption, if one exists at the LAPD? What were the legitimate means for a whistleblower there, that make “alternative” violent means unnecessary? (Not that I’m justifying the violent means, just that I’m trying to hear what the guy was actually saying, in the interest of keeping this from happening again, either there or elsewhere).


106 posted on 02/08/2013 11:21:27 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: peeps36

No whistleblower protections while you’re on probation?


107 posted on 02/08/2013 11:27:15 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; All
Found this link and excerpt on another site, adds dimension, someone who claims he knew Dorner well. Bad wall of text but I will leave as is, very interesting reading. I don't have a link for the thread referenced, ar15...? Maybe someone else knows where it is:

As long as you don't mind adult langauge and mind-numbing stupidity it is very informative. Funny as hell, too. Of course, it is now over 110 pages - so make sure you have some free time.

Here is another repost from one who supposedly knew him in College and service. Sounds like the guy is more crazy/lazy/angry affirmative action than anything else. Does not mean he cannot get a lot of things right in spite of all that. "I've known Chris Dorner since 1997 while we were at college together at Southern Utah University. Upon graduation from college I headed off to prepare for Marine OCS. He had aspirations to do the same. While as a poolie awaiting to go he had trouble meeting the PFT requirements (specifically the 3 mile run) the OSO basically told him to go away and try again when you can meet the requirements. I left for Marine OCS and after TBS. During this time I learned he had gone to Navy OCS. He was at Navy OCS while I was in Pensacola for API (Pre flight training). We reconnected there and became very close and looked forward to our military careers. He subsequently upon OCS graduation attended API as well. I talked him into coming out to Vance AFB in Enid, Ok with me to go fly the T-37. I was excited to have a friend go attend flight school with me. He was a couple of classes behind me so I felt I could assist him with lessons I learned. Well....Flight School quickly became too much for him. He had trouble with air sickness, he was always unprepared and was way behind the airplane. He was failing tests academically. Ultimately he washed out of flight training. In his opinion this wasn't his fault and it was the instructors who had it out for him. When he tried to pull that card I called BS on it and pointed to his lack of studying and preparation. Told him maybe he should play less video games and other extra curricular activities. Thats when he became upset with me, feeling I had turned my back on him. He then made allegations against me that threatened my completing flight training. That was unsubstantiated and obviously I completed and continued on with my career. This is where I saw his vengeful side. Here is the underlying thing with Dorner and what may have lead to this extreme lashing out. Everything he had tried to accomplish he has failed. Marines..Failed, Navy..Flight School...Failed. LAPD ....Failed. That was the straw that broke the camels back. He always was a troubled individual....and really this doesn't surprise me one bit. He is just out trying to make a name for himself. Just can't believe things got this bad for him, but he has a history. I have a lot more dirt, but Ill leave it with this wall of text. Hes a nutjob and its sad it had to come to this."

108 posted on 02/08/2013 11:43:09 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: butterdezillion; All
Adding -

Note this:

Told him maybe he should play less video games and other extra curricular activities. Thats when he became upset with me, feeling I had turned my back on him. He then made allegations against me that threatened my completing flight training. That was unsubstantiated and obviously I completed and continued on with my career. This is where I saw his vengeful side.

109 posted on 02/08/2013 11:45:27 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: butterdezillion
It looks like he wasn't protected in this case. I don't know all the facts but I do know how vulnerable you are while on probation. The department claimed he lied about the training officer assaulting a suspect because she was going to give him a negative evaluation. It didn't help that the training officer was well liked by the department brass according to Doner.
110 posted on 02/08/2013 11:55:31 AM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: little jeremiah

Yeah, I saw that. Certainly adds another dimension to the story.


111 posted on 02/08/2013 12:09:29 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: peeps36

He said/she said. That’s where tapes would come in handy. I thought I read him saying that there was video of the incident.


112 posted on 02/08/2013 12:12:34 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: semaj

He went into the sewer and couldn’t handle the smell. His manifesto is about racism, perceived slights, and corruption.

If you’re going to be a whistleblower, writing a disjointed, rambling, racist screed and killing innocent people is not the way to go about it.


113 posted on 02/08/2013 12:36:52 PM PST by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: semaj
We need to realize that we are in a war and in war there are casualties. What war, you say? The war against lies and the truth, the war against good and evil. The LAPD has already taken sides by encouraging its members to lie, cheat and steal, and by holding in derision and contempt the very people it is sworn to protect.

By encouraging its members to perjure themselves they have declared who they really serve, namely, the father of lies. In no way would I consider this rogue cop to be a hero, but perhaps in this matter we will learn that the truth does matter. After all, there are now two "innocent" people very dead as a result of all the lies that have been told in this case.

Perfect insight, needs to be said louder.

114 posted on 02/08/2013 2:00:41 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: cracker45
Kerry is a POS and should have been prosecuted for treason. He met with our enemy secretly in Paris and plotted anti-war activity with them. He and Jane Fonda visited Hanoi. He called American military war criminals while I was in Vietnam in combat.. Do you know the north Vietnam war museum in hanoi has a memorial dedicated to Kerry for his help !!
115 posted on 02/08/2013 2:00:51 PM PST by Bravo six (Bravo six)
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To: Smogger

Hey, this reminds me of Hunger Games. I am rooting for Dorner/S.


116 posted on 02/08/2013 3:03:50 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Smogger

Oh, I wonder why we are still waiting for John Kerry’s U S Navy record but Dorners was published just like that..Badabang Badabing!


117 posted on 02/08/2013 3:05:17 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

Candor7, read my comment 107 or the excerpt in 108.


118 posted on 02/08/2013 3:28:50 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Howie66
What the hell is it with the Navy pukes?? Hanoi John Kerry. Juan-Boy McCain? J.F.Kennedy? Jesse Ventura? See a pattern here?

I'll see your John Kerry and raise you one Lee Harvey Oswald.

119 posted on 02/08/2013 3:41:03 PM PST by Former War Criminal (Who am I? Why am I here?)
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To: Former War Criminal

Lee Harvey Oswald doesn’t count.

IF he did what he’s been credited with doing....he performed a community service!

Now....James Carville? You may be onto something.


120 posted on 02/08/2013 5:54:59 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: little jeremiah

Very interesting. An affirmative action sociopath.

I hope there are NOT many more out there. They make perfect Obama shock troops.With Dorner I see the face of Obama’s advanced fascism.


121 posted on 02/08/2013 7:28:34 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

Apparently he had a Face Book page dripping with leftist venom which was immediately scrubbed.


122 posted on 02/08/2013 9:32:42 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: semaj

Are you actually suggesting that Monica Quan and Keith Lawerence are not innocent and that Dorner is justified in murdering them?


123 posted on 02/08/2013 9:39:52 PM PST by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in three years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: Bravo six

Yes, I know all that, and my cuzzin jimmy was likely the a-hole that expunged his dishonorable discharge! Did you not notice my “/s” on my post you referenced??

JC


124 posted on 02/09/2013 2:42:52 AM PST by cracker45
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy; All
“It that how you gain trust in a LE organization? By covering up the illegal actions of your “brothers” (or sister, in this case.)”

Yes, been there, got out. I thought the best revenge is living well, and I have. The level of corruption I experienced was small potatoes compared to the LAPD. I know other people that have been victimized by corrupt police/LE management. I am not surprised that someone decided to go postal.

Dorner seems to be a kind of worst case. Here he was, mid-career in the Naval Reserve. He refused to go along with a cover-up, and management closed ranks and got rid of him. That cost him his LE career. Because of the lying charge, that cost him his military clearance, which cost him his military career. So here he is, at 33, no prospects because of a corrupt system.

He likely has had pretty good treatment otherwise because of affirmative action, which makes his treatment by the LAPD all the harder to take.

On LAPD corruption:

The LAPD had a policy of legally stealing any gun they came across, for many years. They would confiscate any gun they came across, and refuse to give it back until they got a court order. Court orders cost (lawyers fees) about $2,000 or more. Most guns cost less than that, so almost no one could afford court orders. Legalized theft as department policy.

I have not heard anything lately, so I do not know if the policy continues. I know the NRA had a lawsuit against the practice.

Police need to be held to high ethical standards. When they lie, they undermine the entire fabric of the justice system. The will be held to higher standards in the future, because technology is making it much harder to get away with the lies.

125 posted on 02/09/2013 5:28:19 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: butterdezillion; All
“No whistleblower protections while you’re on probation?”

No. But being able to play the affirmative action card gives some protection. I have seen quite a bit of self delusion in these cases. It is very easy (and human) to blame others for your own failings.

126 posted on 02/09/2013 5:43:02 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Grandma Conservative
"Are you actually suggesting that Monica Quan and Keith Lawerence are not innocent and that Dorner is justified in murdering them?"

Don't be stupid.

127 posted on 02/09/2013 7:13:30 PM PST by semaj
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To: semaj

I am not the one who used a very poor choice of words.


128 posted on 02/09/2013 9:08:54 PM PST by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in three years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: butterdezillion
I'm not justifying violence either, and I'm also sure there are plenty of pretty good people in the LAPD. But if you were just one man who had extensive means at his disposal, no matter how good you are can have a breaking point. He broke and that's all there is to it. If he can all be honest, the people that can truly say they live an honest life are becoming fewer and fewer. From our President, to CEO’s, to ordinary people, the fact is that there just no reason to believe in people as a whole anymore. It's really thoroughly depressing that so many people have given up on our Lord.
129 posted on 02/09/2013 9:21:24 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Smogger

I believe him...I believe that female training officer DID kick a handcuffed suspect in the face, then they fired him because he reported her.

Doesn’t excuse what he did, but he’s “going Galt” in his own way, and he raises some valid points about the culture and corruption of LAPD.

The same can be said for some elements of NYPD, also. I have personal knowledge, albeit second-hand, of a corrupt NYPD officer, and was told such is rampant throughout the department.

Ed


130 posted on 02/10/2013 2:05:43 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: BunnySlippers

I was born there 50+ years ago, Cedars Lebanon hospital, and I knew TONS of people that hated them!

Ed


131 posted on 02/10/2013 2:10:36 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: cherry

Bingo...affirmative action and they are always tense for not measuring up


132 posted on 02/10/2013 5:18:41 PM PST by Josa
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeah I also was wondering about the lack of any individual awards. I don’t see any that jumped out at me as something other than “I was sent here” or “ I was sent there” and I belong to this unit or that unit.


133 posted on 02/10/2013 6:43:27 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeah I also was wondering about the lack of any individual awards. I don’t see any that jumped out at me as something other than “I was sent here” or “ I was sent there” and I belong to this unit or that unit.


134 posted on 02/10/2013 6:43:31 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeah I also was wondering about the lack of any individual awards. I don’t see any that jumped out at me as something other than “I was sent here” or “ I was sent there” and I belong to this unit or that unit.


135 posted on 02/10/2013 6:43:31 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Howie66

“J”?


136 posted on 02/10/2013 6:49:26 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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