Posted on 02/06/2013 8:41:19 AM PST by SeekAndFind
The late Igor spent 18 months in Saudia Arabia, once. He was “gathered” from the “souk” by an armed policeman who insisted Igor accompany him. It was a Friday, the Muslim holy day.
He was escorted to a public square, and there he was brought to the edge of a large circle of people to witness...a beheading. The stick in the photo is jabbed into the back and when the victim straightens up, the executioner does his job with one stroke of the scimitar.
He was not allowed to leave, nor look away, nor even close his eyes. He figured it was a “lesson to all Infidels,” even though he was there at the request of the Royal Saudi family.
I had friends in the Air Force who experienced the same thing.
And London is not the UK, anymore than NY or LA is the US.
Cities by their nature and history have always been cosmopolitan, so you will always get much more of a social/racial/religious mix than you will in towns or villages or rural areas.
‘Yes, I harp on Lord Achmed & Anjem Choudary as the two most feared men in UK. And on the subject of guns, there is in America the presumed freedom to use deadly force in defence of one’s home or person, referred to (ironically in this instance) as the Castle Doctrine. That simply does not exist in Britain. Britons who are forced to defend themselves with a gun are arrested & charged and that’s simply fact.’
Lord Ahmed and Choudray are not the most feared men in the UK. Only an American could believe that drivel. Ahmed has been suspended from the Labour Party. And Choudray is hardly feared here, he is a minor fool who hogs TV publicity, far from fearing him, the British people laugh at him, and regard him as a minor loony.
Feared?. Give me a break. You really should actually (in fact many Americans should) should come to the UK and you will see that many of your preconceptions are simply wrong.
‘I would love to believe like you that Britain is successfully defending its ancient civilization from cultural incursion but the evidences of Muslim lawlessness seem to indicate otherwise. The Shariah patrols on London sidewalks by “Asian” thugs are but the latest example.’
You do realise that the police are investigating and arresting these idiots?. You talk as if the British people and state are allowing this to happen, and cant do anything.
And your assertion about guns is not ‘fact’. As is your assertion that we cannot use deadly force. As a Brit, as a Brit gun owner and a Brit who has actually been the victim of a burglary/assault (Sept 2008) and who used violence to defend himself and his home, you are parroting the same rubbish I have read here a million times and that I have replied to and corrected a million times.
UK homeowners can and are allowed to use violence, inc ‘death-level’ for want of a better phrase (case in Manchester last year for example) and are, if legal gun owners, can and have used guns. Most UK people arent gunowners of course and use swords, knives etc. (BTW, when you reply, please dont quote me the Tony Martin case, I have pointed out the difference between his case and others many times on here as well)
They do not ‘get arrested and charged’. AGAIN, if you would actually bother to read the posts that I and the British freepers have posted here, you would read what the UK procedure in the event of a burglary which has the death of a burglar as a result.
I am sorry, but you are wrong. I am British and I am telling you that you are wrong. You are wrong about British right of self defence and defence of home and family. You are wrong about use of guns in self-defence.
Frankly I am getting tired of correcting the same old myths on here time after time.
Because we are.
BUT thats because the British have NEVER been a big gunowning public, even when it was completely free to own what you wanted. We werent built on the gun, and gun ownership as a result is not anywhere near as huge a part of culture as in the US. Which is why gun laws have never really caused great ire here (mistake of course imo), as people are want NOT to get angry about taking away items they dont own.
Most British guns have always been for animal/pest control, gun club shooting. Rather than self defence/home defence.
Historically even our criminals werent ‘tooled up’ and only used guns to bump each other off. And burglars wouldnt be armed or if so would be armed with a cosh or a knuckleduster, weapons more to intimidate and possibly break a nose, rather than to kill.
The British therefore always owned many more rifles and shotguns than handguns.
As to the UK laws, handguns are banned by and large on the mainland (England, Wales and Scotland). They are legal in Northern Ireland. Rifles and shotguns are legal in the UK. In fact in NI, there is a form of concealed carry of handguns as well.
Legal guns of all kinds in the UK need a licence. One licence per ‘type’. Not per weapon.
I’m not surprised. Americans seem to be the Main Reason for Evil in Muslim Society, even though Americans have given them the technology to have the wealth they enjoy. It is a case of “biting the hands that feed them,” but it would seem that their stupidity would know no bounds. Even to the extent of cutting off their noses....
930000 gun licences.
2.3 million legal guns (approx 150000 of those are handguns)
OK...OK... I won’t mention Choudary again, or disarmed Britons cowering in their homes waiting for the Asian scruffs to show up brandishing cricket bats (just kidding!).
So, dispel another NRA-generated rumor: that some British policemen carry in their wallets something called a `pocket warrant’ which they simply produce & show to the homeowner then proceed to search his residence, no judge needed.
To use a good British word; BOLLOCKS.
Is that a counter argument?
Firstly, those unarmed Brits have 2.3 million legal firearms.
Secondly, British police carry a ‘warrant card’, however that dosent mean it has the rights of a warrant, which like the US has to be obtained by order of a judge or very senior police officer. The name is what probably confuses the great minds at the NRA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_card
Please tell your NRA friends this.
You haven’t described what a warrant card empowers a British police officer to do. Is it merely a form of identification?
I learned on this thread that the UK population is 62,000,000, with a total of 930,000 gun permits. Now, is that one permit per citizen, or one permit per type of firearm as you pointed out?
Not to stir the pot again, but the American Revolution began, the first shots were fired, when British forces attempted to confiscate Americans’ guns, which by the way were kept not in homes but in public armories. “The shot heard round the world” is how the rebellion began.
Is it true that in Britain the American Revolutionary War is known merely as “the war of the pickets”, implying that the Crown had greater concerns throughout the Empire than a pack of unruly colonists in British America?
No. It's known, and to the best of my knowledge has always been known, as The War of American Independence. I've never heard the expression 'war of the pickets'.
As for the Warrant Card, yes it is just a form of identification and confirms that the holder has the authority which goes with his office. Roughly equicalent to the badge in the U.S.
1—Yes.
2—One permit per type of firearm. For example, I have two: one for my rifle and one for my shotgun.
3—There was actually great sympathy for the Revolution in Britain, both from the public, also the press and even politicians.
1 - Question answered, thanks.
2 - 930,000 permits distributed among a smaller number of owners divided by 62,000,000 makes for a minority indeed, less than one percent. Oh well, the crime rate is low in UK, unlike armed to the teeth America.
3 - We colonials don’t recall a late 1700’s anti-imperialist movement in Britain. Not like Vietnam, anyway. Or did we win independence only because of those meddling French?
1—No problem.
2—The UK has never been a nation of gunowners.
3- The crime rate in the UK is low. The violent crime rate looks very high, but as I have explained here before, thats because there are crimes which are classed as violent here which arent in the US or other nations.
4-You really dont want me to compare US-UK violent crime. You dont. You lose.
5-French? You said it not me. Lets be blunt, without the French you now hate so much, its highly unlikely you’d have won. The French-Spanish blockades broke the back of Britain in that war.
You’re always determined to get in the last word, so you got it.
Goodbye.
Well, FRiend, you are SO mistaken.
From yesterday's News: Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi.
How about one example from todays News:
Q.E.D.
Britain isnt perfect, but a lost cause?.
No.
Never.
I am determined to do nothing more and nothing less than make my point.
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