Skip to comments.British House of Commons Approves Gay Marriage
Posted on 02/05/2013 1:12:08 PM PST by SeekAndFind
LONDON The House of Commons voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to approve a bill legalizing same-sex marriage in Britain, indicating that the bill is assured of passage as it moves through further legislative stages.
But in a major setback for Prime Minister David Cameron, who championed the bill, it appeared that more than half of the lawmakers in his Conservative Party voted against the measure or abstained.
After a six-hour debate, the Commons vote was 400 to 175 for the bill. It will have to pass in the House of Lords, where delaying tactics by opponents are possible, but Mr. Cameron has said that he plans to have the bill enacted into law sometime this summer.
Although 132 of the 303 Conservative lawmakers voted for the bill, early calculations by opponents within the party were that as many as 170 or 180 others in the party had broken with the prime minister, 140 by voting against the bill and as many as 40 others by abstaining.
In modern times, few prime ministers have faced such an extensive rebellion in their own ranks, and the outcome seemed likely to add to the growing ferment among backbench Conservatives about Mr. Camerons leadership on a wide range of issues, including Britains shrinking defense budget and its increasingly uneasy ties with the European Union.
The divisions over same-sex marriage have been less vehement in Britain than they have been in France, where a similar bill backed by President François Hollande has prompted rival demonstrations in Paris recently that have drawn tens of thousands into the streets. Discussions in the French Parliament have been equally impassioned, where a marathon debate on the issue, now in its second week, has featured angry insults across the floor of the National Assembly and more than 5,300 amendments.
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Britain has gone wobbly on us.
Once they adopt Sharia Law, what will happen to this ruling?
Will it be like an immovable object meeting an unstoppable force?
They don't call them "common" for nothing.
Just to be clear, this was the “CONSERVATIVE” government’s initiative! Labour rules for over a decade and never tried gay marriage.
Labour opened the floodgates to this with civil partnerships.....Cameron the fraud pretend conservative has pushed this through at one of the most difficult economic times and social times we have ever known.
He is a an absolute disgrace.
RE: Just to be clear, this was the CONSERVATIVE governments initiative!
Yep, and the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea is DEMOCRATIC.
UK - No constitution. You get huge massive 180 degree changes in things, outlawing things once legal, legalizing the illegal, depending on the current “mood” and degrading culture shifts. Nothing to point ot and say “you can’t do that” and use it as a basis to challenge it in court.
Actually the UK does have a constitution, it is a looser one though.
The 132 "Conservatives" who voted for the bill are in the wrong party and might as well be honest about their "progressive" agenda and be part of "new Labour" with Tony Blair. That includes CINO Prime Minister David Cameron.
The UK continues to drift further leftward with the "Conservatives" in power. I don't see these guys trying to conserve anything. I hope they get a good slapdown from the UKIP in the next election. We could use some good UKIP members in Parliament to replace various CINO MPs.
Sarko's liberal wife is deeply saddened. She tells they were so looking forward to surrendering their garçons to the nearest gay couple, Big Jac and Dominique, for prompt adoption. Oi! What will they do now?
Cameron deserves to lose his prime ministership over this one. Really -- passing a bill backed mostly by oppo "homobenchers"? He should cross the floor and join them -- with a well-cobbled parliamentary shoeprint on his ass.
Don't despair, Carli ma cherie .... there are always the flesh markets of Asia. Your yummy little Christian boys will fetch a top price! So cute, so well-formed, so beautifully fluent in Fwench! No need to worry, my dear.
The Cameron Wing of the Tories and the right wing of Lib Dems appear to agree on almost everything.
UKIP could conceivably beat the lib dems for 3rd place and still end up with zero seats.
Perhaps they should have passed that instant runoff voting.
I believe the UMP is gonna have a revote of the leadership election in like a year or something.
Perhaps the "coalition government" was a natural arrangement then. lol, just kidding. Seriously, I don't get that. The Lib Dems used to be somewhat libertarian in past decades, but during the Blair era they became the most left-wing of the three main British parties. There's a RIGHT wing of the Lib Dems? Maybe there's a handful of british style "James Meeks Democrats" in the Lib Dems who are pro-traditional marriage and pro-life but far left on everything else (it appears four of their MPs voted against gay marriage), but I can't imagine any of their members would be right wing.
>> UKIP could conceivably beat the lib dems for 3rd place and still end up with zero seats. Perhaps they should have passed that instant runoff voting. <<
I think there needs to be a realignment of the political parties in the UK, in all honesty. Right now the UKIP is the only uniformly conservative party, but they're a single issue party and haven't been able to win any seats in the House of Commons because the Conservative Party are the only ones with the infrastructure to do so. Under Cameron, the Conservative Party is not run by conservatives, it's run by left-of-center politicians. Forget the Lib Dems, Cameron's political views differ little from "new Labour" under Tony Blair. Both he and Blair are center-left and profess to be moderate and business friendly, and pro-military, but very socially liberal and pursue the envirowacko agenda, and support handing over British sovereignty. Outside of England, the "conservative" parties in the UK are uniformly unionist and pro-monarchy. The idea of a "conservative Republican" is unheard of, and conservative Catholics in Northern Ireland have to vote against their own self-interests no matter what party they choose. The conservative parties there are anti-Catholic and pro-Church of England, and the pro-Catholic parties are rabid socialists.
Cameron and the 127 or so "Conservative" MPs who supported gay marriage and other "progressive" causes he's touting need to merge with what's left of Blairites in the Labour Party, along with the far lefties in the Lib Dem party that are already in the Cameron government. Those commies can call themselves "British Progressive Party", or "Socialist Democratic Party of the United Kingdom" or something along those lines.
The remaining 175 or so Conservative MPs need to merge with the UKIP, along with the 25 or so sane Labour Party members who opposed gay marriage, and a handful of "right wing" Lib Dems (by my count, we're talking 3 or 4 MPs tops, the rest of the Lib Dem party I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole), and bring some minor parties into the fold like the Christian Peoples Alliance and the Christian Party, they'll join once the Cameron CINOs are dumped. Like Harper in Canada, the new umbrella organization for all these conservative groups will be called British Freedom Party (Cameron's ruined the word "Conservative")
All the political parties in Northern Ireland (Democratic Unionist Party, Alliance Party of Northern Ireland, Ulster Unionist Party, Traditional Unionist Voice, etc.) need to be disbanded. In their place would be be a four party system: Catholic Conservative Party, Catholic Socialist Party, Protestant Conservative Party, Protestant Socialist Party. They'd all be officially neutral on the independence question and leave it a conscience vote for individual members. Anyone who is REALLY gung ho independence can join the Sinn Fein terrorist party, and anyone who is REALLY pro-Queen Lizzie can just join the major UK parties since none of them will ever "officially" propose disbanding the monarchy.
Whatever is left over (the British National Party, the various Green Parties, the lunatic Lib Dem members who don't want to be part of the British Progressive Party), can form some NAZI-Communist alliance like what was attempted in Russia in 1991, and call themselves British Totaltarian Party or United British Fascists, and make sure they get on the ballot every election so they take votes from the British Progressive Party.
The new system would thus be:
1) British Freedom Party, lead by MP Edward Leigh, deputy Lord Christopher Monckton (give him a seat in the House of Lords already!) MAJOR PARTY.
2) Socialist Party of the United Kingdom (British Progressives), lead by MP David Cameron, deputy Nick Clegg. MAJOR PARTY.
3) United British Fascists, lead by Ken Livingstone or someone along those lines. MINOR PARTY.
There, problem solved. :-)
Every party large enough to have internal divisions has a “right-wing”. If it’s a leftist party then the term is relative of course. ;p
The “right wing” of the Lib Dems= the fiscal centrists, willing to cut spending, not virulently socialist like the rest, those types it seems to me have little to disagree with Cameron Tories on, Cameron is more Eurospectic but that may be pandering on his part.
See the “Orange Book”
Note the term “economically liberal” is what we would call “fiscal conservatism”.
The party is uniformly socially liberal and pro EU as far as I know. Socially conservative leftists would be in Labour.
Labour which is seems to be moving back to “old Labour” under Miliband has deeply cut into Lib Dem support in the polls.
If the lib dems are raped in the next election as they may be it wouldn’t shock me to see their rump merge into the Tories, leading to defections to UKIP by the traditional Tories. There’s your realignment scenario.
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