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GOP: With big Latino vote, Rubio would win presidency (Survey: Rubio would get 48% of Hispanic vote)
Washington Examiner ^ | 02/04/2013 | Paul Bedard

Posted on 02/04/2013 9:49:16 AM PST by SeekAndFind

He's already being treated like the 2016 GOP presidential front-runner, and now there is another reason Republicans are excitedly buzzing about Florida Sen. Marco Rubio: He alone would reverse the party's slide among Hispanic voters.

A new nationwide poll from JZ Analytics found that Rubio would get 48 percent of the Hispanic vote, about twice what Mitt Romney won in 2012. Republican strategist told Secrets that a win among Latino voters that big would assure Rubio the presidency, since he would also likely keep the regular GOP base.

"If he does that good, then he's the next president," said a senior GOP official. "It makes him The Man, I guess," added the official.

The poll, provided to Secrets, did not indicate why Hispanics like Rubio, other than his story growing up in Florida as a child of Cuban parents is well known. He has also joined the bipartisan Senate effort to reform immigration.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 02/04/2013 9:49:20 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

MSM again selecting our nominee for us. The Hispanic vote is not that large yet. And if Hillary runs, Rubio will not get anywhere near 48% of the Hispanic vote.


2 posted on 02/04/2013 9:51:02 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

The precedent is now set. One just doesn’t have to be NBC to be president and I guess we should all give up on the constitution. It just doesn’t matter anymore anyhow.


3 posted on 02/04/2013 9:54:11 AM PST by SaintDismas
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To: SeekAndFind
I get so sick of hearing that Blacks and Hispanics are socially conservative.

No, they are NOT.

No "social conservative" could vote for the sworn enemy of social conservatism that Obama is. Ever.

And admixture of "conservatisms" is no conservatism at all.

4 posted on 02/04/2013 9:55:01 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I won’t vote for him. Not into getting more GOP to vote by enlarging the tent at the expense of conservative ideals.
Freegards
LEX


5 posted on 02/04/2013 9:55:34 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: SeekAndFind

I won’t vote for him. Not into getting more GOP to vote by enlarging the tent at the expense of conservative ideals.
Freegards
LEX


6 posted on 02/04/2013 9:56:14 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: kabar

Rubio (or any Republican) would win getting 40% of Hispanics.

Pending this immigration study, Rubio would be my pick for 2016. He is Reaganesque in his speaking, and has been a solid legislator for conservatives (not perfect, but solid). He’s a Jim DeMint guy. I recently voted with Rand Paul on stopping the export of military equipment to Egypt. If he navigates a reasonable result on immigration, I think he’ll prove to be a worthy candidate. I’ve said for awhile, this immigration will make or break Rubio’s presidential aspirations. His position is reasonable; the question is whether legislation reflect his ideas or is a sellout to the left to allow amnesty after the fact.


7 posted on 02/04/2013 9:56:14 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

RE: I won’t vote for him.

So, in a match between Rubio and Hillary, you’d stay in the sidelines?


8 posted on 02/04/2013 9:56:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, why not!! Afterall, the die hard GOP has been pounding us for decades that all that matters is WINNING!!!! To hell with the country!

We won with George Bush.....FAT lot of good that did! WE could have given him his amnesty in 2004 and by now we’d need another one! Idiots! Doing some boneheaded agenda doesn’t work, so they decide to do it some more!


9 posted on 02/04/2013 9:57:07 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: SeekAndFind

As more is learned about Rubio, I predict he will experience the same absence of enthusiasm from the conservative base that sealed Romney’s fate (i.e., Rubio isn’t a conservative).


10 posted on 02/04/2013 9:57:07 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Then I guess you don’t need conservative white folks’ vote.

Remember that when you party hacks cry in your coffee that you lost another one.

Good luch pandering to grab the non-existent support from newly registered illegal, feminazi, and homo voters. How’s that ‘big tent’ working out for ya?


11 posted on 02/04/2013 9:57:11 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

“Then I guess you don’t need conservative white folks’ vote.

Remember that when you party hacks cry in your coffee that you lost another one.

Good luch pandering to grab the non-existent support from newly registered illegal, feminazi, and homo voters. How’s that ‘big tent’ working out for ya?

Good post!


12 posted on 02/04/2013 9:59:07 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Arm_Bears

RE: Rubio isn’t a conservative

OK, here are some issues -— Immigration, the budget, the military and defense, abortion, gay marriage, debt, energy, taxes, education, foreign policy, health care, taxes, second amendment.

On which issue is he not conservative and why?


13 posted on 02/04/2013 10:01:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Pandering to an ethnic community is not the answer despite what this ‘author’ says.

If the Constitution/Bill of Rights cannot be made real and visceral to the “ethnic” communities, and the conservatives cannot run a candidate that measures up to the Constitution/Bill of Rights, then we are absolutely doomed to continue on this ruinous path toward totalitarian social democracy.....

Not that any politician is to be trusted

.02

Your mileage may vary,


14 posted on 02/04/2013 10:03:04 AM PST by petro45acp (No good endeavour survives an excess of adult supervision)
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To: SeekAndFind

Another group that votes based only on color of skin.


15 posted on 02/04/2013 10:03:35 AM PST by crosshairs (All we are saying, is give a high cap piece a chance.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No more lilly white guys from either party it seems.


16 posted on 02/04/2013 10:04:10 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: SeekAndFind
Oh my gosh! Hilarious! We juuuust got served a piping hot plate of 4 more years of obama socialism, and conservatives are already CRYING they will stay home if hypothetical republican #3221 runs. Hahahhahahaha.

Its like watching starving people stranded on a deserted island sending away boats because they don't like the deck chairs.

17 posted on 02/04/2013 10:06:35 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: AuntB

Funny how it works isn’t it.

Blacks won’t vote for a black republican but we’re supposed to believe hispanics will line up to vote for a hispanic republican.


18 posted on 02/04/2013 10:06:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Did JZ Analytics predict a Romney landslide like most pollsters did?

Unless they have found a method to poll dead and nonexistent voters, I'm not buying any of it.

19 posted on 02/04/2013 10:08:45 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind

Should Rubio actually be the GOP candidate, I eagerly await the MSM reports claiming that voting for someone because of their ethnicity would be “wrong”.

Of course, I’m assuming that the MSM will actually exist three years from now.


20 posted on 02/04/2013 10:09:20 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: ilgipper

“His position is reasonable”

He is endorsing amnesty for 11 million illegals. What is exactly reasonable about it?


21 posted on 02/04/2013 10:10:09 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: ilgipper

“His position is reasonable”

He is endorsing amnesty for 11 million illegals. What is exactly reasonable about it?


22 posted on 02/04/2013 10:10:28 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: SeekAndFind

Watch the Dems try to kill this by circulating the meme that the GOP hates Hispanics. You’re going to see this more and more,including troll posters here who post anti-Hispanic rants that are probably even now being forwarded by “helpful” Dems to the appropriate media outlets.

I live in Florida and I’ve seen Rubio speak ... He’s amazing, not only an extremely good speaker, but with a real depth of knowledge of the issues. Heck, he should have skipped senator and run directly for president last time around.

But he will have two problems.,.the voter
perception that the GOP is anti-Hispanic, and the reality that the GOP e only wants somebody who is like them (rich, WASP, male RINOs). That’s what “electable” means in their minds.


23 posted on 02/04/2013 10:10:52 AM PST by livius
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To: kabar
And if Hillary runs, Rubio will not get anywhere near 48% of the Hispanic vote.

Machismo. They aren't voting for Hillary, just like 2008.

24 posted on 02/04/2013 10:11:04 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn)
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To: SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; ...
RE :”A new nationwide poll from JZ Analytics found that Rubio would get 48 percent of the Hispanic vote, about twice what Mitt Romney won in 2012. Republican strategist told Secrets that a win among Latino voters that big would assure Rubio the presidency, since he would also likely keep the regular GOP base.
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The poll, provided to Secrets, did not indicate why Hispanics like Rubio, other than his story growing up in Florida as a child of Cuban parents is well known. He has also joined the bipartisan Senate effort to reform immigration”

It wont be hard to beat Romney with Hispanics.

But I have seen this claim before :

" An internal document prepared by a top Democratic strategist warns that a majority of African American voters in Maryland are open to supporting Republican Senate candidate Michael S. Steele and advises the party not to wait to "knock Steele down.""
Poll Finds Steele May Be Magnet for Black Voters (By Matthew Mosk Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, April 6, 2006 )

25 posted on 02/04/2013 10:12:03 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: Da Coyote

I am quite surprised to see that after 20 posts on this thread, the issue of whether or not Rubio meets the constitutional “must be native born” clause, has not been brought up ( edit to add, this goes for the other ethnic favorite — Bobby Jindal ).


26 posted on 02/04/2013 10:12:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: AuntB

“George bush ... Fat good that did”

Well it avoided a lot more harm ... With a al gore or john kerry presidency. Bush looks quite reasonable in hindsight compared to the marxist onslaught we have now. There are degrees of bad.


27 posted on 02/04/2013 10:13:01 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Da Coyote

ERRATA: I meant to say “must be NATURAL BORN”.


28 posted on 02/04/2013 10:13:11 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL. Mark “AKA The Great One” Levin believes he is eligible


29 posted on 02/04/2013 10:16:28 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: fwdude

How can Blacks be considered socially conservative when more than half of them are born in a single parent home?


30 posted on 02/04/2013 10:17:03 AM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: ilgipper
Rubio (or any Republican) would win getting 40% of Hispanics.

That's true now because roughly one third of Hispanics came here legally, or were born here, and resent the illegal line jumpers just as much or more so than the rest of us. Another 7% to 10% might be won over on tribal grounds.

However, if you water down that pool by legalizing a ton of illegals, the 40% may not be achievable or even realistic. Particularly if the Democrats counter with their own La Raza nominee like that Mayor of Los Angeles.

I'm not particularly impressed with Rubio. I'd much rather see a nominee like Ted Cruz if race has to be the main factor in our selection.

31 posted on 02/04/2013 10:17:18 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not eligible under Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution.

If this is who the GOP-E powers that be are pushing on us...then I guess we will have Obama and his ilk as permanent fixtures in the White House.

It’ll be the Romney Re-RUNS again. Whatever.

Not playing their games anymore.


32 posted on 02/04/2013 10:17:40 AM PST by johnsmom (I must be dreaming 'cause this can't be real)
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To: SeekAndFind

As usual, when ‘analyzing’ the impact of the Hispanic vote, no study at all of how many conservative votes will be lost by nominating a pandering, amnesty pushing RINO.

These clowns need to learn to do subtraction as well as addition.


33 posted on 02/04/2013 10:19:17 AM PST by Will88
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To: SaintDismas
The precedent is now set. One just doesn’t have to be NBC to be president and I guess we should all give up on the constitution

Marco Rubio was born is Miami, Florida. He is a natural born citizen of the United States, and is eligible to be President per the Constitution. No court is going to rule otherwise. The end.

34 posted on 02/04/2013 10:19:35 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Casie

Yes. And that is why this attitude (very prevalent here on FR) is why we will lose (again). It seems like FR is full of people who, if any candidate deviates in any small detail from their “received wisdom”, will not vote for him or her.

If these folks are so set in their ways, they should try to form a third party, and see how that works out for them.

Enjoy life in the wilderness.


35 posted on 02/04/2013 10:19:51 AM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: ilgipper
Rubio (or any Republican) would win getting 40% of Hispanics.

BS. I suggest you take a look at an electoral map and also where most Hispanics live. According to the exit polls, Hispanics/Latinos made up 10% of the total vote, compared to 13% for blacks and 3% for Asians. Whites made up 72% of the vote--I presume that that figure includes some white Hispanics since 53% of Hispanics self-describe themselves as white. Non-Hispanic whites are 66% of the population.

Hispanics voted 71% to 27% for Obama. Even if Rubio were to increase his vote total of Hispanics by an additional 13%, it would be of dubious value electorally except perhaps for FL. Ted Cruz received about 36% of the Hispanic vote in Texas compared to Romney's 30%. And this is Texas. No way Rubio gets 40% nationwide especially if Hillary is the Dem nominee.

Reps are deluded if they believe that nominating a token candidate to take advantage of identity politics will be successful against the Dems. And I bet that Hillary will surpass Obama in getting the woman's vote. Obama got 55% of the woman's vote.

He is Reaganesque in his speaking, and has been a solid legislator for conservatives (not perfect, but solid).

What has he done of note?

If he navigates a reasonable result on immigration, I think he’ll prove to be a worthy candidate. I’ve said for awhile, this immigration will make or break Rubio’s presidential aspirations. His position is reasonable; the question is whether legislation reflect his ideas or is a sellout to the left to allow amnesty after the fact.

Reasonable? I beg to differ. Rubio has joined with Schumer, McCain, and Graham to give us essentially McCain-Kennedy all over again. He is supporting amnesty. As someone who has actually read Simpson-Mazzoli, Hagel-Martinez, and McCain-Kennedy, what we see is old win in new bottles. Rubio is just the new salesman for amnesty.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty.

The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

36 posted on 02/04/2013 10:20:31 AM PST by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind
"GOP: With big Latino vote, Rubio would win presidency (Survey: Rubio would get 48% of Hispanic vote)..."

... Of course this pole is recent .... when the election season is in full swing .... no matter who the GOP nominee is, by the time the Democrat/Socialist media propaganda machine is finished .... he or she will appear to be the spawn of Satan and unelectable.

37 posted on 02/04/2013 10:21:28 AM PST by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: johnsmom

According to the 14th Amendment Rubio is a natural born citizen. Rubio’s parents were in the US at the permission of the US govt, therefore Rubio is nbC.

Mark Levin believes Rubio is nbC.


38 posted on 02/04/2013 10:22:47 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: SeekAndFind

Rubio is not a conservative on the issue of immigration. He has joined McCain, Graham, and Schumer as an amnesty supporter.


39 posted on 02/04/2013 10:23:31 AM PST by kabar
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To: ilgipper
I like Rubio on many issues and would probably vote for him. But not for President. He's not a Natural Born Citizen. I don't have problems with people with Hispanic last names or Japanese last names, hell, I really don't care where their ancestors came from as long as they are Conservative and a Natural Born American.

Rubio is an American. But he can't ever be the POTUS since he's not natural born. His parents were CUBAN when he was born.

40 posted on 02/04/2013 10:24:30 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: SeekAndFind

This is the media and/or GOPe pushing their favorite(s).

Rubio’s amnesty pushing is going to lose him much support. Many don’t want a McCain-lite.

Rubio’s resume is about as thin as Obama’s was. Rubio started his political career at about age 28 and has become a professional politician.

Rubio’s thinking that the borders will be secured by his/the next amnesty bill is delusional. Even if his fellow politicians SAY they will see that the border is secured, in reality, that securing will be about as much/little as with previous amnesty bills. If Rubio were truly seeking border security, that would be done with EXISTING laws.


41 posted on 02/04/2013 10:24:30 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: kabar

Besides, granting citizenship to 11-12 mln (some estimate it at 18 mln) will perpetuate the democrats rule. We wil have a one party system for decades to come.


42 posted on 02/04/2013 10:26:18 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: 353FMG

The out of wedlocl birthrate for Hispanics is 50%. For blacks it is 71%. They are both solid Dem constituencies.


43 posted on 02/04/2013 10:26:41 AM PST by kabar
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To: johnsmom

Marco Rubio was born is Miami, Florida. His parents were here LEGALLY and are US citizens.

When challenged, Is the Supreme Court going to rule that he is not eligible under Article II, Section 1 of the US Constitution?


44 posted on 02/04/2013 10:27:21 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Sirius Lee

>>Now, consider Marco Rubio. His parents were resident aliens when he was born in 1971, seeking and soon to receive their status as naturalized U.S. citizens. Under the Fourteenth Amendment, “all persons born...in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the states wherein they reside.” This “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” clause shows why Rubio is — and, very likely, why children of illegal aliens are not — a “natural born citizen of the United States.”<<

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/the_good_news_rubios_eligible.html#ixzz2JxK8gJhp


45 posted on 02/04/2013 10:27:48 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: SeekAndFind

So tired of this. There is no “Latino vote”. They are not an undifferentiated mass like Blacks. They come from different countries, different cultures, and are in different economic brackets.
And p.s. they do have one thing in common - they all hate Cubans.


46 posted on 02/04/2013 10:29:53 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Will88

That depends on the details. If amnesty goes through it may be as forgotten by election time as Reagan’s signing the 1986 amnesty has been. If it doesn’t, Rubio can distance himself from the measure, saying that he was for greater enforcement first and he won’t support amnesty unless the border is secure. There may be as many stay-at-home conservatives as there were this time, but if Rubio can pick up enough other votes to make up for them, then conceivably he could win.


47 posted on 02/04/2013 10:30:04 AM PST by x
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To: SeekAndFind
He alone would [whatever] ...

BS.

I'm tired of 'moderate' leftists, presstitutes, and other would-be kingmakers prattling that "only" their chosen hero can save us.

48 posted on 02/04/2013 10:30:35 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Longbow1969

Thank you !
The NBC crap is getting deep...


49 posted on 02/04/2013 10:31:05 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: SeekAndFind

When the MSM gives any praise toward Rubio it is because they are choosing him over Ted Cruz who they really fear.


50 posted on 02/04/2013 10:32:04 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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