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Governor Andrew Cuomo Seizes Your Gun Rights Overnight with Secret Deals, Procedural Shortcuts...
NRA-ILA ^ | January 15, 2013 | NA

Posted on 02/01/2013 4:06:29 PM PST by neverdem

Governor Andrew Cuomo Seizes Your Gun Rights Overnight with Secret Deals, Procedural Shortcuts and Midnight Votes in Albany

Public Input Prevented on Gun Control Debate to Advance Agenda and Political Career

Governor Andrew Cuomo, in stunningly brazen fashion, took a hatchet to gun rights in New York with lightning speed. By cutting secret deals behind closed doors, eliminating public input and circumventing normal legislative processes, the Governor and state Senate passed sweeping anti-gun measures just before the stroke of midnight yesterday. Within 24 hours, Cuomo had his new gun control laws. Cuomo utilized a rarely-used executive trick, a "message of necessity" to bypass normal legislative procedures that are strictly followed on hundreds of bills each legislative session. Late last night as the clock approached midnight, the public was introduced to S. 2230,a hastily drafted bill that includes bans on commonly owned semi-automatic firearms and magazines, registration, and restrictions on ammunition purchases. This bill was released to legislators a scant twenty minutes prior to the Senate vote and quickly passed without proper vetting, committee consideration and debate, as previously reported on here.

Today, S. 2230 faced the state Assembly where it passed by a 104 to 43 vote and was signed into law by the Governor within an hour of its passage, taking immediate effect. During Assembly debate, it became obvious that the haste with which the bill was drafted and passed resulted in innumerable errors and flaws, damaging gun owners even worse than bill authors probably intended. The NRA-ILA lobbyist spent several days in Albany meeting with lawmakers, but this deal was quickly and quietly being forged behind closed doors. Lawmakers from both political parties were even critical of the process in which Cuomo guaranteed only one outcome would prevail.

Prior to this outrageous and undemocratic action, New York already had some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, and they have proven to be failures. When each of New York’s gun laws was enacted, politicians promised it would fix the crime problem. Years later, it is clear that they did not, yet anti-gun lawmakers want more of the same laws. Gun control has not worked because criminals, by definition, do not obey the law. Like previous gun control attempts, S.2230 focuses only on law-abiding gun owners and will do nothing to address public safety or crime.


S.2230 expands the state's existing pseudo (semi-auto) "assault weapons" ban by outlawing pre-ban firearms, unless they are registered. This new state law also expands what is now considered an “assault weapon” and goes beyond the expired federal law. This statute also lowers New York's magazine capacity limit from ten rounds to seven. You can possess magazines capable of holding more than ten for one year, but you cannot sell or transfer them to anyone living in New York. State residents have one year from enactment to transfer or surrender them. Incredibly, S.2230 will also require background checks on ammunition purchases and prohibit online sales of both firearms and ammunition. It also includes universal background checks on all firearms transfers with certain exemptions for immediate family. S.2230 also requires mental health practitioners to report if someone is a threat to himself or others (without requiring an adjudication) and such person must surrender their gun. These failed gun control ideas will not address crime, but today Cuomo and his accomplices did irreparable damage to the constitutional rights of New Yorkers.

In his recent state of the state address, Cuomo made it clear that passing gun control would be the first major issue of the 2013 legislative session. He seized the opportunity to exploit tragedy and put his own personal politics ahead of sound public policy. Your governing officials resorted to deception, secrecy and procedural gamesmanship because they were too afraid to let gun owners make their voices heard. In the short time this issue was before the state Legislature, hundreds of phone calls and e-mails flooded the Capitol. The politicians might be able to sidestep gun owners now, but the next election will be a different story.


This legislation is still less than 24 hours old, and it contains many complex details and nuances that were secretly withheld from public view. NRA-ILA’s legal staff will continue to examine this new law and determine if future litigation may be appropriate. As we challenge these new laws, we will continue to report to our members, so please stay tuned.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; cuomo; democrats; govtabuse; guncontrol; messageofnecessity; ny; secondamendment; tyranny

1 posted on 02/01/2013 4:06:50 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

You elect democrats - you get tyranny.

But people keep electing them.


2 posted on 02/01/2013 4:08:28 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: neverdem
You can possess magazines capable of holding more than ten for one year, but you cannot sell or transfer them to anyone living in New York.

so when did they start serial numbering magazines? how they gonna know?

3 posted on 02/01/2013 4:14:14 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: neverdem

When the Supreme Court finds this crap “unconstitutional”, the American people should be given the opportunity to bring treason charges against any politician involved in this violation of the Bill of Rights and have his/her ass thrown in prison where it belongs. The Bill or Rights belongs to the American people. Not a bunch of Commie and Nazi politicians.


4 posted on 02/01/2013 4:16:26 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Now Playing. Obama II - The Revenge of My Father.)
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To: neverdem

Sic Semper Tyrannis.


5 posted on 02/01/2013 4:20:04 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: neverdem

These actions are clearly unconstitutional. A third grader can read and understand the 2nd Amendment. But this is NY the buckle of the Obamanation.

I am glad I am 1/2 a nation away from this insanity.

It would be nice for some of the manufacturers to move to Texas where we appreciate them. Only catch, don’t bring NY attitudes. This still Texas.


6 posted on 02/01/2013 4:20:29 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: 2banana

“But people keep electing them.”
City people elect them. That is it. But the urban vote is now swamping everything else and the dems feel the wind at their back.


7 posted on 02/01/2013 4:20:34 PM PST by zagger
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To: MeganC

bookmark for later


8 posted on 02/01/2013 4:22:21 PM PST by MeganC (“Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!”)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
-- When the Supreme Court finds this crap "unconstitutional" ... --

Pigs will fly. SCOTUS is not friendly to the right to keep and bear arms. It prefers to leave the dirty work to lower courts (which are more than happy to do the dirty work), and simply refuse to hear the cases.

See "Heller II," where the DC circuit found bans on magazines with >10 capacity to be constitutional, and SCOTUS denied certiorari.

9 posted on 02/01/2013 4:24:58 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: neverdem

Green Berets Sign Letter Supporting 2nd Amendment

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/01/31/green-berets-sign-letter-supporting-2nd-amendment/

Survivor of Tiananmen Square Now An American Patriot Gun Owner

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/01/27/survivor-of-tiananmen-square-now-an-american-patriot-gun-owner/

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

Our motto is “Not on our watch!”

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/


10 posted on 02/01/2013 4:25:54 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (www.OathKeepers.org/oath/)
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To: neverdem
Cuomo utilized a rarely-used executive trick, a "message of necessity" to bypass normal legislative procedures

From what I've read, he's used this "message of necessity" declaration several time before, to avoid those pesky rules that he would otherwise have to put up with.

11 posted on 02/01/2013 4:37:39 PM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: TurboZamboni

One year from bill passage date, I’m guessing, since mags aren’t serial-numbered. Feb 1, 2014, it all becomes illegal. Writing “laws” to declare law-abiding Citizens criminal, is treason. Cuomo&Co should be stood against a stone wall...


12 posted on 02/01/2013 4:42:32 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment is the First Human Right.)
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To: Texas Fossil

It’s TX until amnesty rolls through then TX becomes North Mexico and blue state (again).


13 posted on 02/01/2013 4:43:01 PM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: TurboZamboni

“State residents have one year from enactment to transfer or surrender them.”

Yep; I didn’t read far enough.


14 posted on 02/01/2013 4:44:55 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment is the First Human Right.)
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To: Durus

Have you ever been to Texas?

You simply do not understand what it is.

“Texas is not where you were born but a State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.”

“Leave us alone to live our lives in Peace and we will get along fine, if that is not satisfactory, we will deal with it.”

Yes we have pockets of Leftie weenies in parts of Austin, Dallas, Houston and a few other cities. But this is a big state and they know to stay in their little conclaves.

Too many oilies, rednecks, farmers, ranchers and freedom lovers here to ever let them stuff us into subjection. It is against the DNA.


15 posted on 02/01/2013 4:55:26 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: neverdem
Big push back brewing. Great town meeting video:

‪New York State Resistance - "... prime for something like that." 1/29/13‬

16 posted on 02/01/2013 5:06:24 PM PST by randita
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To: neverdem

Hey you SOB bastard Cuomonista, we got lots rotten eggs and tomatoes


17 posted on 02/01/2013 6:26:10 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower.)
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To: neverdem

Attention New Yorkers
If your state legislator either senate or house member supported and voted for this legislation. When you print up this index sized pakm card which is easy to pass around in your area

(PUT THAT NAME HERE)
IS A GOD DENIER AND CONGENITAL LIAR
A REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH INCITERS/
FOR FIRST YOUR MONEY THEN YOUR GUNS
AND BE DEFENSELESS WHEN CROOKS COME

on the face or other side put the name of the person your supporting

REMEMBER THE NAME (for office)(vote date)

WHO WILL GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF YOUR FACE
AND YOUR PURSE OR YOUR WALLET


18 posted on 02/01/2013 6:27:18 PM PST by mosesdapoet (.Should this former Chicago "Mechanic" go out of retirement ?)
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To: randita

Thanks for the link.


19 posted on 02/01/2013 6:46:18 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Cboldt
See "Heller II," where the DC circuit found bans on magazines with >10 capacity to be constitutional, and SCOTUS denied certiorari.

Are two or more circuit courts in conflict? If no, then I'm not surprised.

20 posted on 02/01/2013 6:52:21 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to take a hike.”


Maybe telling that disgrace to the race, Cuomo, as much is needed.


21 posted on 02/01/2013 7:01:33 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 ("Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to take a hike."-Heinlein)
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To: bunkerhill7

Hey you SOB bastard Cuomonista, we got lots rotten eggs and tomatoes


That’s too bad when tar, feathers, and rope are what is needed.


22 posted on 02/01/2013 7:08:29 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 ( Nothing so vexes me as a Democrat above ground...ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS.)
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To: zagger

[[ “But people keep electing them.”
City people elect them. That is it. But the urban vote is now swamping everything else and the dems feel the wind at their back. ]]

Everything you said is true.
But… just what are conservatives (in NY state) going to do about it?

The reality is, not much. The state just keeps getting “bluer”. As do most of the blue states.

The only avenue to change things in NY now is through the courts. If the courts aren’t sympathetic, well, that pretty much exhausts “the conventional approach”. Can’t say what could happen after that.

In the immediate years-to-come, I see the gaps between the red and the blue states growing and deepening at an accelerating pace. Expect the ever-tightening grip of “the state” to grasp harder in places like New York. And more of the same in states like Massachusetts, Illinois, Maryland and Connecticut.

The only solution that makes sense for conservatives living in these places is to get out, even if doing so comes at personal sacrifice and expense. Get out to where you have at least a chance of freedom, in a state where that notion is still embraced by the majority of the local population.

Those notions _ain’t_ embraced by the majority of New Yorkers any more. Cuomo’s gun-grab has probably increased his popularity amongst the down-staters who control the political climate there. Who cares about those upstaters?


23 posted on 02/01/2013 10:01:10 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Texas Fossil

“Too many oilies, rednecks, farmers, ranchers and freedom lovers here to ever let them stuff us into subjection. It is against the DNA.”

If I’m not mistaken the “DNA” of Texas is now roughly 40% Hispanic.

And that percentage isn’t shrinking, but is instead growing by leaps and bounds.

What you say about Texas is true, today.

But time and demographics will change Texas to Tejas, as certainly as they changed California to Mexifornia...


24 posted on 02/01/2013 10:04:26 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: S.O.S121.500

And perhaps.....a few well-placed pitchforks?

“That’s too bad when tar, feathers, and rope are what is needed.”


25 posted on 02/01/2013 11:51:07 PM PST by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: Road Glide

Love of country is not determined by color of skin. Let me remind you that there were both Tejanos and Gringos at the Alamo and at San Jacinto. Actually Juan Seguin was at both. He was the last rider to leave the Alamo before it fell.

I know about the composition and the history of my state. Some of that history is not written in history books but only recorded by tradition. The bonds that bind us were forged by common experiences.

Leftism is a disease that infects too many hispanics because they perceive the system is not fair to them and that the government will fix that. Of course that is part of the “Big Lie”.

My son-in-law is of hispanic origin. I could not be more proud of him if he were my own son. He is a good husband to my daughter, father to my grandson and a successful corporate lawyer. He is NOT Leftist.

Race should have no affect on who will protect and defend this nation and the state of Texas.


26 posted on 02/02/2013 1:20:57 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: neverdem
-- Are two or more circuit courts in conflict? --

I don't know. I don't follow the gun cases closely, just learned about the outcome of Heller II a few days ago.

Scalia left openings big enough for a truck to drive through, when he composed the Heller decision. I didn't and don't see that case as a RKBA success. It is more of a "pivot point," and now the district and circuit courts are using it to uphold most any restriction short of outright ban on 100% of firearms.

Anyway, thinking that the courts are pro-RKBA is a grave error. The courts are hostile to the RKBA. Like you, I'd be most surprised if the circuits allowed a split on the constitutionality of banning magazines above XYZ capacity.

27 posted on 02/02/2013 2:43:08 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Our motto is “Not on our watch!”

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

____________________________________________________________

OK, what are they doing “On their watch”? Are they assembling their forces to march on Albany or are they still just writing strong worded letters in all CAPS?

Is this another blustering .org group that is just collecting tax free money hiding behind the 401c3 laws or are they going to do something.

We are looking for leaders not tax free .org groups.

Personally, I am sick and tired of these tax free blood sucking tax dodging leeches that point the finger at the other blood sucking tax dodging leeches.


28 posted on 02/02/2013 3:41:56 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: neverdem
During Assembly debate, it became obvious that the haste with which the bill was drafted and passed resulted in innumerable errors and flaws, damaging gun owners even worse than bill authors probably intended.

That's not an error or a flaw, it's a feature in their book.

29 posted on 02/02/2013 5:17:42 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: eartick

http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2013/01/decorated-combat-veteran-arrested-in-new-york-charged-with-5-felonies-for-possession-of-ar-magazines-2458572.html


30 posted on 02/02/2013 5:24:24 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: 2banana

The GOP would give us tyranny too, but they are held in check by the morality of the citizens and the media. The Demonrats don’t have these checks and balances.


31 posted on 02/02/2013 5:25:34 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: mvpel
FWIW, the posession charged is a violation of NY law -before- Cuomo's abomination was passed.

Article 265 - Penal Law - Firearms and Other Dangerous Weapons

265.02 Criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree.

A person is guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree when: ...

(8) Such person possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device. ...

265.10 Manufacture, transport, disposition and defacement of weapons and dangerous instruments and appliances.

3. Any person who disposes of any machine-gun, assault weapon, large capacity ammunition feeding device or firearm silencer is guilty of a class D felony.

The new law makes such possession a misdemeanor.

265.36 Unlawful possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

It shall be unlawful for a person to knowingly possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device manufactured before September thirteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four, and if such person lawfully possessed such large capacity feeding device before the effective date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this section, that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition. ...

Unlawful possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device is a class A misdemeanor.

* NB Effective March 16, 2013


32 posted on 02/02/2013 5:43:13 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
To be blunt, Cboldt, what the f--- difference does it make? Seven rounds or 10 rounds, misdemeanor or felony, what f---ing bit worth of difference does it make? Either way they've kidnapped Sgt. Haddad and are holding him prisoner in violation of the Constitution. Every one of them who is complicit in that crime, right down to the secretary filling out the paperwork, is a traitor to their oath.

A felony for a metal box? Five felonies for five metal boxes? It's a screaming outrage, it's a knife in the gut of every patriotic American who fought to defend this nation and our way of life.

We need to stop dithering around about shades of illegality in illegal laws, stop hoping that someone some day will eventually have enough money to drag every last one of 100,000 infringements across the nation up the Supreme Court steps and beg them for their pearls of wisdom on the meaning of the phrase "shall not be infringed," so that we might perhaps in 50,000 years regain the fundamental human right of Self-Defense from their Benevolent Hand.

Remember, they can't fit 80 million American gun owners in prison, even though they've started to try with Sgt. Haddad.

33 posted on 02/02/2013 6:08:28 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel
-- To be blunt, Cboldt, what the f--- difference does it make? Seven rounds or 10 rounds, misdemeanor or felony, what f---ing bit worth of difference does it make? --

My impression is that most people think Haddad is an early victim of Cuomo's recent action, and pointing out that this is a longer-standing law is meant to correct that error.

I agree completely with your sentiment. The government is out of control. The courts are also complicit. I was asked to review and study Hamblen's case (Tennessee, possession of machine guns) and the court flat out ignores or radically misconstrues long-standing precedent. This is a chronic occurrence and circumstance.

I have the same sort of respect for the government that I do for the Mafia. They are scum, but they are also killers.

34 posted on 02/02/2013 6:18:15 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Road Glide

“The only solution that makes sense for conservatives living in these places is to get out”

Exactly correct. I live in Wisconsin which teeters on the edge between blue and red. When inner city milwaukee is motivated enough to bother to vote based on race (and the dems bus in unregistered voters from outside Wisconsin) then the state goes blue. When we have white guys running for state offices, the state can go red. We currently have a GOP governor and legislature. Our fate hinges on the city voters - fraudulent or real. I intend to move to a solidly red state in the near future as a tactical retreat. I cannot imagine living in NY. I will not enter that state or even fly through a NY airport. I never knowingly buy anything that originated in NY.

These 2012 election result maps clearly show the problem. Red and blue statewide results are actually determined by the huge blue spikes located at each city.
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/WebGL/Election2012f.html


35 posted on 02/02/2013 7:11:23 AM PST by zagger
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To: 2banana

New York has the same problem that some other states have...cities loaded with Democrat voters that overwhelm voters in rural areas...


36 posted on 02/02/2013 7:16:51 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: zagger

It adds about an hour to our 800-mile trip to visit my parents to minimize the time spent in New York, but I’m with you, I think - it’s worth it to avoid a bankrupting prosecution by corrupt cops over some piece of Albany BS we might not even know about.


37 posted on 02/02/2013 7:38:39 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: randita

That’s an awesome video.....deserves a thread of its own if one hasn’t been posted.


38 posted on 02/02/2013 8:34:34 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Texas Fossil

39 posted on 02/02/2013 8:50:40 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

Yes, a vermin like Cuomo would fit right in with the crooks in Mexico. We should deport him there.


40 posted on 02/02/2013 9:16:11 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: ought-six

41 posted on 02/02/2013 10:52:28 AM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: randita

Thanks for the link!


42 posted on 02/02/2013 12:17:10 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

So it starts.

It’s funny that the Bil is number 223. Reminds me of something else... hmmm.


43 posted on 02/02/2013 4:30:28 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
When the Supreme Court finds this crap “unconstitutional”

You should consider the very real possibility that by the time this gets to the SC, assuming it does, and assuming the court deigns to hear it, it is likely that the make up of the court will be such that public floggings of gun owners will be ruled "Constitutional".

44 posted on 02/02/2013 4:44:34 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: neverdem

Do you wonder why you can’t buy ammo or guns?

We don’t have any ammo or firearms on the market because the same thieving scared NYC Wall St billionaire SOBs we bailed out (that should have been bankrupt because of their corruption and incompetence) are using our bailout money and the Fed Reserve as their funding source to take over manufacturers and to buy ammunition.

They look as it as either an investment (like they did in oil and food) but even more importantly to keep common folk from being armed. They know they can’t pass laws.

You think not, think again. Americans are clueless. They can’t see beyond what they are told by pundits and pols. These greedy xxxxxrs want us disarmed and they are using our bailout and 0% Federal Reserve cash to buy out firearms and ammo before they come for our pensions.


45 posted on 02/02/2013 5:07:31 PM PST by apoliticalone
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To: carriage_hill
Cuomo&Co should be stood against a stone wall..

That day is coming.
46 posted on 02/02/2013 7:48:40 PM PST by crosshairs (All we are saying, is give a high cap piece a chance.)
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To: zagger

“I intend to move to a solidly red state in the near future as a tactical retreat…”

That’s a great concept, I’ve not heard it expressed that way yet, but as I consider it, that is exactly what “the course ahead” must be for conservatism in North America.

Conservatives — particularly those who choose to remain in the “blue states” — must know and accept that they are living “in enemy territory” that, short of a complete collapse (of the economy and of the federal government), will not change “rightward” on its own.

Indeed, the blue states are going to march “forward” towards the totalitarian state at increasing speed.

There will be no “conservative revival” in the United States, at least not in the entirety of the country. Perhaps, for the near-term future, there can be a “preservation and conservation” (for lack of better terms) of conservative and “traditional” American/Western core values and principles in the remaining red states.

There are reasons why conservatives choose to live in the blue states — career, family ties, personal history, etc. I live in such a place myself (for now). But I fully realize that to remain here is to submit to the governance of the left. And I understand that if I want to be free of such bonds, my only realistic choice is to emigrate to somewhere where the attitudes are congruent to mine.

The only choice — as you have said so well — is to make “a tactical retreat”….


47 posted on 02/03/2013 7:57:06 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: TurboZamboni
so when did they start serial numbering magazines? how they gonna know?

How are they going to know what? After one year the possession of the magazines will be illegal. Prior to then, purchase/sale will be illegal to NY residents. So even if they did sell them to a NY resident, or a NY resident bought some from out of state, possession would still be illegal in a year.

Nonetheless, I imagine lots of New Yorkers will buy them, if they can find them, from out of state sources.

48 posted on 02/03/2013 9:39:51 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: kinsman redeemer
It’s funny that the Bil is number 223. Reminds me of something else... hmmm.

The section of Texas Law providing for businesses to post their property against concealed carry licensees is section 30.06. The required sign is .. um... rather large.

The letters must be at least 1 inch high in block letters in contrasting color. It's an ugly thing. Some cheat and put it in white/translucent letters on clear glass.

But most of the signs that went up initially, both legal and non complying signs, have come down over time. It's pretty easy to avoid those businesses that don't want your business, because there is a competitor who does.

The biggest factor in that was not the business loss, but increase in potential liability. The businesses have been informed, often by their own lawyers, that if a CHL holder is harmed in their business because they were required to be disarmed, the business will be liable for damages, and they won't be able to get anything from the criminal to offset those. That also goes for anyone else who would have been protected by the CHL holder.

49 posted on 02/03/2013 10:46:34 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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50 posted on 02/06/2013 4:30:30 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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