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Who owns the brand, logos, name? If a vote can be made to sell off these to a new org, then the new org can be started under BSA with the same branding.

Or organizational elements can secede and coalesce around new but similar brands like ‘The United BSA’ or such.

Marshall McLuhan (”The Medium is the Message”) wrote in the last century a poignant observational anthropological report on primitive African tribal customs and social order. In one small enclave a new tribal chieftain was very abusive of his tribal members and not respecting their long-held customs. He woke up one morning to find the entire village abandoned. There was no one for him to rule over. The entire tribe had picked up while he was sleeping and moved to another region under a new chieftain.

The membership of the BSA should do the same.


44 posted on 02/01/2013 9:13:26 AM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Hostage
Who owns the brand, logos, name? If a vote can be made to sell off these to a new org, then the new org can be started under BSA with the same branding.

Interesting thought but a significant stumbling block would likely be the fact the BSA holds a national Congressional charter that would likely be impossible to transfer or to get another one without bowing to the gay lobby.

47 posted on 02/01/2013 9:21:03 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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Also, forgot to say in the last reply to you that McLuhan’s move the village option looks like it should be given close consideration in this circumstance.


49 posted on 02/01/2013 9:24:10 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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Who owns the brand, logos, name?

If you mean "Boy Scouts of America" and the specific logo, then it's the Boy Scouts of America in Irving, Texas.

However, Scouting is a worldwide movement that predates the BSA. The BSA is not the only Scouting organization in the U.S. More about that anon.

In most European and many South American countries, there are multiple Scouting organizations, often split by religion or political differences (European countries may have separate Catholic, Protestant, Socialist, Labor Union, and other groups; Germany has more than 100). They are represented at the World Organization of the Scout Movement by one umbrella organization, or simply exist on their own. When I say they are separate groups, they are truly separate groups - not like we have in the U.S.

There is also the World Federation of Independent Scouts.

In the U.S., virtually all Scouts belong to the BSA, which is a member of WOSM. However, we have some Scouts who are part of the Baden-Powell Service Association (which is already co-ed and 'inclusive') and some who are back-to-what-we-did-in-1908 Baden-Powell Scouts' Association (which is part of WFIS - and I don't know where they stand on homosexual leaders).

Anyone can start a Scouting group - just grab Lord Baden-Powell's 1908 Scouting for Boys and do it. Last time I took a formal count (2007), Scouting existed in every country in the world except five.

61 posted on 02/01/2013 11:57:03 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I've fixed my problem with procrastination; just wait and see.)
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44 Who owns the brand, logos, name? If a vote can be made to sell off these to a new org, then the new org can be started under BSA with the same branding.

Or organizational elements can secede and coalesce around new but similar brands like ‘The United BSA’ or such.

The 1926 Congressional Charter granted to BSA preserved the exclusive right of BSA to use the term "scouting." This has been a very active thread of conversation for years on scouting forums. I can't say much beyond that. To me, the real problem would be access to all of the printed books and manuals.

75 posted on 02/01/2013 1:49:43 PM PST by MacNaughton
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