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Why This Is Not 1986 : Reagan tried this already, But it may indeed be different this time.
National Review ^ | 01/31/2013 | Michael Barone

Posted on 01/31/2013 6:39:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 01/31/2013 6:39:19 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Deja vu all over again............


2 posted on 01/31/2013 6:43:37 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: SeekAndFind
Two things give lie to Barone's thesis.

One, it wasn't our lack of capability to control the flow of illegals over the border, it was our lack of political will. With the growth of the hispanic population here there appears to be LESS of that will now.

Two, entitlements. There're more benefits available to illegals now and they're easier to get. As long as thats true the flow will continue.

So its true things have changed since 86 - if solving the problem is the goal there's less reason to offer amnesty now.

3 posted on 01/31/2013 6:45:26 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Red Badger

so....we’ve been offered a false choice between open borders and a biometric national ID card?


4 posted on 01/31/2013 6:45:47 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Politicians are silly. There are 200 million people living in cesspools with little or no economic opportunity in Mexico, Central and South America. When the economy in the US improves and there is a demand for low skilled labor, they will come regardless of US law.


5 posted on 01/31/2013 6:48:48 AM PST by allendale
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To: SeekAndFind

Put “dead and buried” next to the Repulsican Party’s grave should they actually bend over and get Obama’d on this.


6 posted on 01/31/2013 6:52:21 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind; Liz; AuntB; South40; HiJinx
The difference from 1986 and now is one of magnitude that registers off the scale. 11 M illegals is the sales figure the proponents use to soften the pitch to Americans. The real figure is more than twice that amount and will balloon as soon as the green light is given.

Big government never makes things better for the good of the nation or resets itself that would risk giving up power, especially when the temptation of a huge "new" voting block of teat suckers stand at the ready to bolster that power.

7 posted on 01/31/2013 6:56:28 AM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: SeekAndFind

It ain’t 1986 because circumstances and people change


8 posted on 01/31/2013 7:01:01 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: Red Badger

This will end up the same as the the other SHAMnesties. The illegals become legal and the enforcement promises are never lived up to. Not by Democrats not by Republicans. Why would Obama/Democrats enforce the border when their aim is to bring in more Democrat dependent voters since the anchor babies can vote (eventualy) and the new crowd of illegal aliens will get their own SHAMnesty in say 2023

“It Ain’t Over ‘Til the Alien Wins” —— Michelle Malkin


9 posted on 01/31/2013 7:03:30 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: SeekAndFind

Once bitten, twice shy


10 posted on 01/31/2013 7:09:30 AM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The eight senators’ framework called for an “entry-exit system that tracks whether all persons entering the United States on temporary visas via airports and seaports have left the country as required by law.”

The 1996 US-VISIT ACT already addresses this problem. It was passed by Congress and signed by Bill Clinton, but it was never fully implemented.

I have challenged Barone face to face on some of his arguments a number of years ago. He was and is an amnesty supporter. What really needs to be done is to change our legal immigration policies. Basically we need to go to a merit based system like Canada and Australia have vice the kinship system we have now and we need to reduce significantly the number of legal immigrants from 1. 2 million a year to around 300,000.

11 posted on 01/31/2013 7:10:46 AM PST by kabar
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Punishment for disobedience to God’s Law

Deuteronomy 28:43-44

43 The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. 44 They will lend to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, but you will be the tail.


12 posted on 01/31/2013 7:11:38 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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-"Put “dead and buried” next to the Repulsican Party’s grave should they actually bend over and get Obama’d on this."

What's the difference between that, and now? Where have you been?

13 posted on 01/31/2013 7:15:15 AM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: SeekAndFind
After listening to Rush interview Rubio, I think the political debate is over.

The GOP led House will narrowly approve Amnesty after worthless “guarantees” are written into the law.

Rush had no fire, no passion.

Conservatives have lost their last national leader on this issue.

Conservatives are literally assisting in their own political suicide.

14 posted on 01/31/2013 7:16:42 AM PST by zeestephen
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Yep. When it passes we’ll be back to Bob Michel minority status for at least a generation or two. Rush is 62 and at this point is likely getting tired of the whole thing and looking to cruise into comfortable retirement on his tea income.


15 posted on 01/31/2013 7:41:30 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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I have challenged Barone face to face on some of his arguments a number of years ago. He was and is an amnesty supporter. What really needs to be done is to change our legal immigration policies. Basically we need to go to a merit based system like Canada and Australia have vice the kinship system we have now and we need to reduce significantly the number of legal immigrants from 1. 2 million a year to around 300,000.

Absolutely we should do the same as Canada & Australia. Only problem is we have large internal 3rd world populations who clamor for family reunification immigration (not skills & English proficiency based) getting more of their friends and family to get in any way they can. If they come in illegally then to get them a Marco Rubio style amnesty. We have a black president. This simply would not happen in the Canada or Australia of today with their 90% white demographics

16 posted on 01/31/2013 7:58:35 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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Basically we need to go to a merit based system like Canada and Australia have vice the kinship system we have now and we need to reduce significantly the number of legal immigrants from 1. 2 million a year to around 300,000.

We HAD the merit based system until 1964! One of the "Great Society" programs changed our entire immigration system to a kinship program because our system of the time was considered racist and biased towards developed countries who could produce the educated work force we wanted to continue to develop.

The Dems screamed that this was not fair to the third-world countries and therefore we ended the merit-based and started a quota system that has gotten us to today! With that in mind, do you think the Communists in the Democrat party would allow us to go back to a system that was working for the GOOD of America? It will NEVER happen with these anti-American a-holes!
17 posted on 01/31/2013 8:01:18 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Rush is tired and resigned these days. He reads from the UK Daily Mail showbiz sections. He wants an exit strategy to get out of his contract but who knows when he will do it. He often talks about his trips to New Zealand and their beautiful golf courses...this is one place he would move


18 posted on 01/31/2013 8:02:53 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: ExTxMarine

I posted about the same...just above you. At this point our immigration policies are being driven by our internal 3rd world populations (who want more of their own in here) and the white liberals who align with them


19 posted on 01/31/2013 8:06:15 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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With all due respect to Michael Barone who I usually agree with he is wrong on this subject.

Our problem is that the failed Narco state of Mexico has and is asking us to absorb their entire underclass. No nation can do that.

The border is still poruous and illegals cross at will along with the drug cartel. The border is not secure and nobody at the top level of our govt has any intenion of securing the border for the reason listed above. They have an agrement with Mexico. If we shut off the money that the illegals here send home to Mexico the Mexican GDP would decline by 40%.

No legislator will mention that we already have at least 4 guest worker programs in place to allow people to come in the US work and then go home. These programs have been in place for decades.

No legislator will tell you that approx 75% of the people who pick our crops are already US citizens.

No legislator will tell you that previous polls have shown only about 20% of the illegals are interested in coming out of the shadows and becoming US citizens. An amnesty will not bring the majority of illegals forward.

We need to vigorously enforce the immigration laws on the books and encourage as many illegals as possible to self deport while we increase the border security. At some point we may have to let a few of them stay but not 11 million or 20 million. Nobody knows the number for certain and we likely never will.


20 posted on 01/31/2013 8:19:01 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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