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To: SJackson
“The reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas,”

Not true, the issue of urban vs. rural is not really the issue. Let's be honest, the reality of gun violence is primarily a racial divide.

So if Obama is going to suspend civil rights for the purpose of ensuring safety, why not address the statistical heart of the issue and suspend the civil rights of those "male urban youths" between the ages of 12 and 35?

Why would that violation of rights be more unpalatable than the suspension of a specific civil right for everyone, when Obama himself is conceding that its not really a problem outside of the identified demographic?

For any knuckle-headed opus writer who mistakenly reads this as a racist post, the point is to demonstrate the unacceptable restriction of any civil rights, and that cutting off every innocent citizen's right hand is not a fair alternative to cutting off just a few innocent right hands. Better that we observe the Constitution and personal liberties in ALL situations, and leave innocent free citizens alone altogether.

4 posted on 01/30/2013 5:12:05 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

Murder rates, regardless of the availability and use of guns, are strikingly consistent by racial group worldwide.

That’s very much the same as educational test results. E.g., American whites are no more murderous than whites worldwide, and American Chinese/Korean/Japanese kids score on achievement tests in the range of their counterparts worldwide.


9 posted on 01/30/2013 5:23:00 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: SampleMan
... suspend the civil rights of those "male urban youths" between the ages of 12 and 35? Why would that violation of rights be more unpalatable than the suspension of a specific civil right for everyone ... ?

Because that would be profiling! It would be equivalent to subjecting young Muslim men to extra scrutiny at airports. Or asking Hispanics to prove that they're here legally.
19 posted on 01/30/2013 5:47:49 AM PST by The people have spoken
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To: SampleMan
suspend the civil rights of those "male urban youths" between the ages of 12 and 35

You raise an interesting point. Does a people that can not or will not abide by the social contract even deserve so-called civil rights?

I don't think you even have to go that far, though. Just apply the law as it is already written because as it currently stands the law is not applied, like it is not applied to the tens of millions of illegal aliens that are allowed to roam the country at will. The fact is these male urban youths are coddled and treated with kid gloves.

But, then again, if the law was fairly applied to them our prisons would burst at the seams. Not to mention the apoplectic howls of "RACISM!". I think these cretins who have proven themselves incorrigible should be stripped of their citizenship, deported, and then decent people can wipe their hands clean of the responsibility for them.

36 posted on 01/30/2013 7:35:13 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto
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