Skip to comments.Modesty in Ultra-Orthodox Brooklyn Is Enforced by Secret Squads
Posted on 01/30/2013 4:11:39 AM PST by KantianBurke
In the close-knit world of ultra-Orthodox Judaism, community members know the modesty rules as well as Wall Street bankers who show up for work in a Brooks Brothers suit. Women wear long skirts and long-sleeved, high-necked blouses on the street; men do not wear Bermuda shorts in summer. Schools prescribe the color and thickness of girls stockings.
The rules are spoken and unspoken, enforced by social pressure but also, in ways that some find increasingly disturbing, by the modesty committees. Their power is evident in the fact that of the half dozen womens clothing stores along Lee Avenue, only one features mannequins, and those are relatively shapeless, fully clothed torsos.
There are quite a few men, especially in Williamsburg, who consider themselves Guts polizei, said Yosef Rapaport, a Hasidic journalist, using the words for Gods police.
Its somebody who is a busybody, and theyre quite a few of them zealots who take it upon themselves and they just enforce. Theyre considered crazy, but people dont want to confront them.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Yet not a peep about TROP and dress/morality codes.
This IS the NY Slimes! Could you expect anything less?
Exactly. Ignore Sharia enforcers (no problems there) and focus on the Jooooos.
That is true.
Fanatics are fanatics. The ultra-Orthodox community keeps its people under very tight control, and, probably inspired by Islam, it’s getting worse. There have been a couple of major child molesting cases there where no one denied the guilt of the perpetrators (rabbis) but instead publicly attacked the child victims and said they must have been dressing provocatively (!), etc. These modesty squads burst into people’s houses and tear up their closets looking for “immodest” clothing and function exactly like the Saudi religious police. But the residents of these communities, even though they’re living in America, don’t dare to complain.
What difference is there between these people and the Taliban? Not much from where I’m sitting.
So you’re gonna shoot someone who tells you not to wear shorts?
The 2nd amendment isn’t about the clothes police, or hunting, or target shooting.
The Taliban will cut your head off, is that what these busybodies do?
Yep, NYT propaganda, yet people keep reading the PoS and posting the BS from there..... A better approach would be posting who their advertisers are, and attacking them until the NYT is gone.
As someone with a libertarian bent and fiscal conservative it would bother me big time if someone on welfare(and many of these people are in Israel and USA) would tell me how to dress.
Wait a minute. The NYT has a double-standard? They sound like liberals.
This is hard to believe. Brooklyn Jews can’t be this easy to bully.
If some sky pilot was to get in my face about my manner of dress, he’d be wearing a fist.
That’s precisely what the NYTimes is attempting to insinuate- moral equivalency between the Jews and Muslims.
The groups have long been a part of daily life in the ultra-Orthodox communities that dot Brooklyn and other corners of the Jewish world. But they sprang into public view with the trial of Nechemya Weberman, a prominent member of the Satmar Hasidim in Brooklyn, who last week was sentenced to 103 years in prison after being convicted of sexually abusing a young girl sent to him for counseling.
might have more to do with this story appearing in the Slimes than some underhanded plot to slander 'da joooooos' by comparing them to the mohammedans.
I also wonder if there's some sort of 'modesty police' thing going on in the Orthodox Jewish areas of Los Angeles. Drive through La Brea some time, if you don't know what I mean. There seems to be the same extreme dress code there.
So women dressing modestly is evil, but women dressing like whores in a “Slut Walk” is to be admired. This is the Progressive swamp the NYTimes has brought us and they can’t STAND that these religious Jews refuse to wallow in it. Well I say good for them.
Forcing women to dress modestly is evil.
C'mon...don't fall for the Slimes propaganda. They are mixing in modesty codes in Brooklyn with a home break-in 50 miles away in the Monsey, NY suburbs, and even throw in a convicted child abuser for good measure. They DESPISE Jews who are observant instead of being depraved homos who shill for Obama like the Secular "Jews" who work at the Times.
NY Slimes gotta create equivalency between Jewish community leaders and the Saudi religious police. Scumbags!
And as soon as you tried to do that I would shoot you dead, meat on the street.
Talking isn’t assault and doesn’t warrant deadly force.
Lemme guess... This is publicity the next “reality” show, based on the popular ‘Amish Mafia’ series. Except with fundie jewish guys...
Make no mistake, the semi-literate panic buyers of guns and ammo are just as likely to hunt and kill Jews when the SHTF as they are to confront jack-booted government thugs.
In recent years, several prominent Israeli kabbalists have begged Jews to leave America while they can do so in comfortable circumstances because the circumstances are going to suddenly change.
FINALLY at the very end of the article we learn that these are those anti-Israel nut jobs who used to visit Arafat, yet for most of the piece the author makes us think this represents "ultra-Orthodox Jews is Brooklyn".
The simple fact is that Judaism is closer to islam than it is to chrstianity because it is a statutory rather than a salvational religion. That's why I don't pile on in all those threads chrstian FReepers post about how good old "Judaeo-chrstian" friendship will triumph over mean nasty islam with all its rules. How dare G-d tell people how to live!
One of chrstianity's many problems (and it has several) is that it threw over (at least in part) statutory for salvational religion. Left wing social religion could not have developed without this first great error. The western "enlightenment" chrstian conservatives champion against islam (but not against chrstianity) is part of the problem. If "western civilization" had practiced a purely statutory religion things would probably not have gone south this fast.
I realize that everybody is out to get 'da jooooooos' ... and Jewish people never do any wrong ... (or so it appears, from the comments some folks post on this forum) ...
That's funny, since Jewish FReepers do considerably less whining and crying "bigotry" on this forum than do Catholics.
“What difference is there between these people and the Taliban? Not much from where Im sitting.”
The Taliban seek everyone to convert to Islam and force people violently to follow their ways.
These groups have no desire to convert anyone and only enforce their rules non-violently against voluntary members of their rare sub-cults.
Further, these isolated idiots are just that : isolatd idiots who have no standing in the larger Jewish community. About as representative of the Jewish people as that kooky church that celebrates at funerals is representative of Christians.
If you can’t see a differece, you’re a moron.
“These modesty squads burst into peoples houses and tear up their closets looking for immodest clothing and function exactly like the Saudi religious police. “
Really? You have a source of people bursting into closets? Source or STFU.
“What difference is there between these people and the Taliban? Not much from where Im sitting.”
Then you must be sitting with your head up your fat-*ss.
I’m with you, elder brother. Every word. Also, I believe the practices and statutes of God’s People mean something more to God than to the general Western population. There is an increasing Americanized abhorrence for religious “rules and regulations and religious community, and we’re all called “Pharisees”.
Though I of course do not understand how many layers of blinders my Jewish friends must require, or layers of ear flaps it must take to avoid seeing and hearing that their Messiah has come with their salvation and mine.
I mean God Himself drew pictures, in crayon, in your Book, so we stiff necked Jews and Gentiles would recognize Him in the rest of the Book.
I believe we Catholics and Jews have favor and share the same destiny, remnant though it may be.
Not to say that, by God’s Mercy, others can’t lumber in late, at 5:00, having done no work or very little, like me, and seek Mercy.
God’s speed, and hang right in there
Well, at least they don't take your guns.
Remember the good old evil days, back when they used to put skirts on piano legs ?
Quite honestly, most of the Jews in this country are dumber than bricks, no matter how much education or credentials they have, based on the fact that they vote for the liberal/socialist/fascist/communist demoRAT party that would send these Jews to the gas chamber in a heartbeat if they could.
More Jew-hating filth from the NY Fishwrap. One notes not a word about stoning/hanging/burning alive women who dress incorrectly in the wonderful utopia of Arab Sharia.
Stop embarrassing yourself by peddling half-truths and shut the h@ll up.
I think these are part of a sect seeking to live as a theocracy, and are only going into the houses of those who agree to be part of it, and while not sanctioning this means, yet adherents of liberalism would like to take away your guns, and your children as well if your religion or ideology is opposed to them (for your own good of course), as that is intolerable to them.
As far as modestly is concerned, the modern lack of it is a result of liberalism that rejects traditional Christian morality - which basically was much reflected in its laws - and results in larger and more intrusive government, and that of a progressively immoral kind as a post-Christian populace is deceived by their sophistry promoting their destructive ethos.
While even an atheist can be a relatively good person (but like Christians, not good enough for Heaven but in need of Christ), ultimately Divine influences on the heart of man are necessary if he will not be ruled from without.
Robert Winthrop (May 12, 1809 November 16, 1894), and Speaker of the House from 1838 to 1840, and later president of the Massachusetts Bible Society, explained that, Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled, either by a power within them, or by a power without them; either by the Word of God, or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or the bayonet.
“and are only going into the houses of those who agree to be part of it,”
THEY AREN’T GOING INTO PEOPLE’S HOMES. Stop spreading lies to feed the jihadi-*sslickers here on FR.
Only in 1 small town of a few thousand people, dumbass
CATHOLICS VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY FOR OBAMA ALL OVER THE COUNTRY including in battle ground states, why you don’t comment on that on some threads here about Catholics doing abortions?
Except for the fact that the most damaging movements against Western Civilization, such as the Frankfurt School of Interdisciplinary Social Theory, have been of primarily Jewish origin.
See the “threatening me or my family” part. No citizen should passively endure that and I certainly won’t.
BTW, maybe you should learn to be more articulate and stop the garbage mouth if you want to discuss this.
Over 70% of Jews in this country voted for 0bama in the last election, and 78% voted for him in 2008. The stats I recall is that approx 54% of Catholics voted for 0bama. In any case, anyone who voted for 0bama or democRATs in general should be ashamed of themselves for voting to destroy our country!
“Except for the fact that the most damaging movements against Western Civilization, such as the Frankfurt School of Interdisciplinary Social Theory, have been of primarily Jewish origin.”
BULLSH*T. There is nothing JEWISH about the FS. Go read up on the FS and search the backgrounds of the founders and later main players, and 99% of them were not even born Jewish, and the 1 or 2 who were, either their PARENTS converted out or raised them as atheists.
The Frankfurt School had a few members who were NON-OBSERVANT people of Jewish birth. And those that THEY studied (except for Freud) WEREN’T JEWISH, as a matter of fact, many of them,i.e. Marx, (and you?) HATED JEWS AND HATED JUDAISM.
THERES NOTHING JEWISH ABOUT THE FS, and people who claim otherwise are ignorant, internet-lazy or liars.
But what if there WERE a lot of non-observant, Jews-by-birth in the Frankfurt School.
What would you like to do, ROUND THE REST OF US UP GENETICALLY? Full-blooded Jews only? 1/8 Jews? Go ahead; bring it. This time we are not unarmed.
PS The Nazis were made up 99% of GENTILES.
DOES THAT MAKE YOU A NAZI, or just a fool, standing on the same side AS THE JIHADIS AGAINST JEWS, all while crying how people on FR pick on Catholics...
Feel free to ping me when you go on an thread about Catholics that has nothing to with the election, and lets see you whine about Catholics going for Obama.
” they are allowed to violate practically every civil law out there because the police are afraid to enter their neighborhoods, and they contribute a huge amount of money to the Democrat party.”
I had no intention of doing the latter, and i described what the liberals would like to do, but I read that some (from a Hasidic modesty committee) went into homes, but which must have been based upon the allegations below.
The Brooklyn district attorney, Charles J. Hynes, who prosecuted the Weberman case, has now received allegations that members of a modesty committee forced their way into a home in the borough, confiscating an iPad and computer equipment deemed inappropriate for Orthodox children, officials say .
Not that this is something the NYT would see wrong if it was police raiding homes because they taught Judaeo-Christian values to their children.
I am very much aware of the private Chassidic-run buses into NYC from northern Rockland County neighborhoods. The buses are tailored to supporting their lifestyle, i.e. they are constructed like a synagogue on wheels so that the men can hold morning services there instead of having to first go to their community synagogues. A great time-saver. It is not only the rabbis who wear the characteristic Chassidic dress, but every man. They don't wear their "fur hats" every day, only on the Sabbath or holidays. Jewish law dictates that one should attempt to solve domestic problems within the community first. Going to outside authorities would only be done when community efforts failed. If you had been persecuted by civil governments for centuries and been murdered at the hands of these very same governments, you would also show extreme hesitation, perhaps to the point of not even considering the possibility, before going to a government entity to let your dirty laundry hang out to people not of your culture. How is that different from many FReepers who also don't trust the government?
Where do you get your "facts" about the Chassidim donating "huge amount[s] of money to the Democrat party"? I don't know ANY Orthodox Jews who support the Democratic party. They are all conservatives and therefore align with the Republican party. They are disgusted with the liberals' support of abortion, homosexuality, etc. And your comment "That's the only reason they've been able to get away with things for so long" smacks of anti-semitism.
I did not see the allegation in the NY Slimes.
Forgive my tone and my rant at you.
The behavior, if true, is despicable.
Your circle of acquaintance might be quite small. Hillary got a very substantial share of their votes and she got some hefty geld from them, too. So, are many indeed occasionally Republican, and perhaps many not?
Now another question, please. How did they break for Romney? Inquiring mind wants to know.