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Washington Post Column: Why the assault weapons ban is (probably) going nowhere
Washington Post ^ | 01/29/2013 | Aaron Blake

Posted on 01/29/2013 12:31:18 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) introduced a new version of the assault weapons ban on Thursday.

And it’s already looking like a lost cause.

Most everyone agrees that the ban is the most ambitious and politically difficult item on President Obama’s and Vice President Biden’s gun control agenda. And there is increasing evidence that it will be cast aside in favor or more doable proposals. Below, we look at four reasons why.

1. Joe Biden is downplaying it

The same day that Feinstein introduced the bill, Biden suggested that magazine sizes were the most important part of a gun control package. ”I’m much less concerned, quite frankly, about what you call an assault weapon than I am about magazines and the number of rounds that can be held in a magazine,” Biden said in a Google Hangout. He added that “more people out there get shot with a Glock that has cartridges in a (high-capacity magazine)” and also suggested that shotguns are more deadly than so-called assault weapons. Biden then again downplayed the ban again during a two-hour roundtable discussion on Friday.

This, we remind you, is all within 24 hours of the assault weapons ban being introduced by a Democratic senator. And Biden is already giving us reasons why it’s not that big a deal.

Biden is the point man on all of this. His words matter, and he’s quite aware of the current politics of his issue. The fact that he’s downplaying the assault weapons ban suggests that it’s not likely to happen and he doesn’t want the whole thing to be viewed as a failure if the ban isn’t passed.

2. The votes aren’t there

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 113th; assaultweapons; awb; banglist; bho44; guncontrol; nocompromise; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 01/29/2013 12:31:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

FROM HOTAIR:

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/29/wapo-assault-weapons-ban-is-probably-doa/

NBC read the writing on the wall, too:

Getting an outright ban through a divided Congress in the face of opposition from the National Rifle Association and other groups is unlikely, and the fight is likely to focus on other measures, like the background checks and limits on magazine size.

Biden’s comments came hours after Senate Democrats, led by California Sen. Dianne Feinstein, displayed various assault weapons at a Capitol Hill press conference. Feinstein introduced legislation Thursday to ban 158 specific types of those guns.


2 posted on 01/29/2013 12:32:48 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

SEE ALSO HERE:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/assault-weapons-ban-lacks-democratic-votes-to-pass-senate.html

TITLE:

Assault Weapons Ban Lacks Democratic Votes to Pass Senate


3 posted on 01/29/2013 12:33:29 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
These so-called assault rifles that everyone is screaming about is just of a different design of past weapons but are still...one pull=one bullet.

People (mostly women) think they're friggin' machine guns...'cuz they saw 3 minutes of Rambo!!

4 posted on 01/29/2013 12:35:19 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

Never underestimate the cowardice of the GOP.


5 posted on 01/29/2013 12:40:59 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's unlikely the Democrats would buy into a prohibition on illegal aliens owning, possessing or using firearms ~ particularly if that were dressed out as a FELONY.

To get a head start on the Democrats I'd be introducing such a bill in the House of Representatives right now ~ get them to VOTE DOWN THE FIRST GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION BROUGHT TO A VOTE AFTER NEWTOWN.

NOTE: Peeps who are here without the specific consent of the United States are here unlawfully, so it's like they really aren't here ~ no visa, no visita ~ so they wouldn't be covered under the Second.

6 posted on 01/29/2013 12:43:32 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

I hate to spoil their fun but my bet is that Di Fi goes 0 for 3 on this one.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 12:43:48 PM PST by technically right
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To: technically right

Folks, the DiFi bill wasn’t intended to “go anywhere”.

It was intended to be the most egregious piece of infringement possible in order to get you to accept the “compromise bill” that’s coming.


8 posted on 01/29/2013 12:46:29 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

maybe, but DiFi obsesses day and night about firearms. She wouldn’t pass a mental fitness test these days ~ no dealer would sell that nutcase a firearm.


9 posted on 01/29/2013 12:48:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: FReepers
In 1941, U.S. Attorney General Robert Jackson called on Congress to enact national registration of all firearms. Given events in Europe, Congress recoiled, and legislation was introduced to protect the Second Amendment. Rep. Edwin Arthur Hall explained: "Before the advent of Hitler or Stalin, who took power from the German and Russian people, measures were thrust upon the free legislatures of those countries to deprive the people of the possession and use of firearms, so that they could not resist the encroachments of such diabolical and vitriolic state police organizations as the Gestapo, the Ogpu, and the Cheka."


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Rep. John W. Patman added: "The people have a right to keep arms; therefore, if we should have some Executive who attempted to set himself up as dictator or king, the people can organize themselves together and, with the arms and ammunition they have, they can properly protect themselves. . . ."


10 posted on 01/29/2013 12:49:03 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: SeekAndFind

This only means that we need to be carefully waching what the other hand is doing. It’s a common tactic for the left to throw something outrageous out there so that while people are focussing on that, they can quietly get on with the business of passing other, less “controversial” legislation, such as a national database, or other “bureaucratic” sounding legislation. Later on, when the frog (the American people) have become used to the temperature turned up one more degree, out they come again with the other stuff. They never stop, they never give in, they only stall for time and take one step backwards in order to to take 3 steps forward later after all the attention has gone elsewhere. Just look how they’ve managed things exactly that way with amnesty and the sodomite agenda.


11 posted on 01/29/2013 12:49:40 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: MrB

Bingo!


12 posted on 01/29/2013 12:50:37 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SeekAndFind

“While there was arguably more impetus for gun control after Newtown than there has been in years,...”

Yeah, by the media. Talk about astroturf.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 12:51:19 PM PST by jjm2111
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To: SeekAndFind

Universal background checks are unacceptable, too. It is noting more than a way for the government to fill in the gaps of their illegal database.


14 posted on 01/29/2013 12:51:53 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: chris37

Or their ability to yank a defeat out of victory!


15 posted on 01/29/2013 12:52:58 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: MrB
It was intended to be the most egregious piece of infringement possible in order to get you to accept the “compromise bill” that’s coming.

This is the perspective we all need to start from and clearly state to any and all who will listen (Senators, Reps, NRA, etc.) that NO COMPROMISE is acceptable because it only encourages them to come back later. Everything about DiFi's bill is egregious and needs to go down in flames.

16 posted on 01/29/2013 12:54:17 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Little Ray

Victory, or any form thereof, musr be avoided at all costs.


17 posted on 01/29/2013 12:56:52 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: T-Bird45

It’s time to not accept any of the left’s “reasonable gun control” rhetoric.

We don’t care if you think this is “reasonable”. We know your goal is a total ban on privately owned firearms, and we’re not going to let you “incremental” us into it.

GTH.


18 posted on 01/29/2013 12:58:05 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t worry, it’ll never pass the House. - Oct 09
Don’t worry, it’ll never pass the Senate. - Dec 09
Don’t worry, it’ll never pass the Congress. - Mar 10
Don’t worry, the Courts will never uphold it. - June 12

- The smartest people in the room discussing Obamacare.....


19 posted on 01/29/2013 12:59:53 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: MrB

This is a good argument for why there should be no more compromises AT ALL - EVER: http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-repost.html


20 posted on 01/29/2013 1:03:19 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The passage of Obamacare was the signal that anything can happen, and nobody can ever relax.


21 posted on 01/29/2013 1:11:54 PM PST by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind

We were sure the magic negro could not beat Hillary WRONG

We were sure the obomination could not pass a socialist health care plan WRONG

We were sure Public Enemy #1 could not be re-elected with unemployment so high (and even higher than the government and media told us) WRONG.

So how on God’s green earth are we to be sure King Kenyan cannot finish the destruction of the 2nd Amendment? Come on, after all, we allowed them to pass law after law after law which infringed on an Amendment which specifically states “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” and we are supposed to believe he and his propaganda machine in the MSM will not win?

No, we will lose the 2nd Amendment and very likely before the end of this vermin’s term.

With the EPA about to be given free reign on banning lead ammunition we should all realize why the EPA and other agencies have been buying up ammo like crazy. They are preparing for what we do not have the backbone to do.

To the Founders, I apologize for failing to retain what you gave us.


22 posted on 01/29/2013 1:18:00 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Biden on Gun Control
23 posted on 01/29/2013 1:22:30 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Molon Labe)
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To: muawiyah

NOTE: Peeps who are here without the specific consent of the United States are here unlawfully, so it’s like they really aren’t here ~ no visa, no visita ~ so they wouldn’t be covered under the Second

hahaha where did you get that idea from?


24 posted on 01/29/2013 1:27:31 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: SeekAndFind

” ”I’m much less concerned, quite frankly, about what you call an assault weapon than I am about magazines and the number of rounds that can be held in a magazine,”

So if I carry a gun with a 15 round mag and fire only 4 rounds during the commision of a crime, mag capacity wasnt a factor right? I bet hoods rarely fire more than 2-3 rounds no matter what they are carrying.


25 posted on 01/29/2013 1:28:30 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

And the 2 seconds or less that it takes to change out a mag is going to save lives? Hmmm...

Dunno about you, but I don’t think I can cross a room and jump a guy in those two seconds.


26 posted on 01/29/2013 1:30:32 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rolling_stone
Second refers to 'people', but it also has an antecedent that says 'free state' and 'militia' ~ visitors without visas are not part of the peeps ~ they are part of somebody else's peeps and maybe even a foreign militia or foreign state ~ or maybe they're ENEMY ALIENS.

The USSC has not said that EVERYBODY is among the PEOPLE in every part of the Constitution BTW ~ just in some rulings, but not in others.

The point here is to get the Democrats in the House to vote AGAINST illegal aliens at the same time they vote for gun control! ~ or ~ vice versa!

27 posted on 01/29/2013 1:39:22 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: MrB

“Dunno about you, but I don’t think I can cross a room and jump a guy in those two seconds.”

In a no escape route situation I think I would try. We know that in these incidents it is human nature to hunker down, hide and hope the creep goes away. In theory it is better to attack the shooter or throw heavy objects but it is tough to train people to do this. God forbid I am ever in this situation but I might wait for the slide to lock back and charge. The hope is that the shooter will get rattled by a screaming lunatic carrying a chair and blow the mag change. Of course the preferred response would be to shoot back as soon as he opens up.


28 posted on 01/29/2013 1:41:40 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

The point is that limiting magazine capacity will make absolutely zero difference in mass shootings.

So, there must be some other agenda.

That other agenda could be as simple as the liberal wanting to feel good about himself, of course.


29 posted on 01/29/2013 1:44:08 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well their psyops worked. Benghazi is off the public’s radar and Hilary gets a pass. Perhaps we can find some other topic to discuss for the next four years.


30 posted on 01/29/2013 2:03:53 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: MrB

“So, there must be some other agenda.”

None of their proposals ever deal with solving problems. The goal is always to advance their agenda any way they can. Here is the key to understanding the left: Dont waste your time looking for consistency, logic, double standards, hypocracy, etc. Leftists are not restrained by those concepts. Just know that with the left the only important thing is whatever advances my agenda TODAY. It doesnt matter if what they said yesterday is the exact opposite of what they are saying today. All that matters is that it helps TODAY. Once you realise that, it all makes sense.


31 posted on 01/29/2013 2:08:36 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Quite a few feminist organizations (including corporate women’s organizations) behind the divorce/cohabitation regime comprised the “Million Mom March” against the Second Amendment a few years ago. Biden has tried to work quite a bit for that constituency. This time around, a few global business moguls are also in the effort. That’s why we see so much noise about it.

But most voters by far are against gun control, so the issue is poison to politicians who are watched. Watch their votes closely. List them. Remember them for the next elections. Write to members of Congress and state assemblies. Let them know the consequence of losing elections, should they vote in favor of any compromise.


32 posted on 01/29/2013 3:06:06 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We are being played. Now the anti’s can propose “common sense” legislation on guns. This AW garbage is a head fake.


33 posted on 01/29/2013 3:37:18 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Universal background checks are unacceptable, too. It is noting more than a way for the government to fill in the gaps of their illegal database.

Absolutely true! Including limitation on magazine sizes from 30 to 10 or whatever. Socialists/demTurds/commies like 0dumb0shit & the entire demoRAT part are masters of incrementalism. A little here, a little there, and in 5-10 years they've succeeded in their gun grab. In fact I believe we will see massive limitations of simply purchasing ammo, if anything simply because the moment it appears on the shelf, it is stripped bare.

BTW, where can I get .308 ammo? Gander Mtn, Fleet Farm, are completely stripped bare. 30-06 ammo still looks to be readily available. Anyone is welcome to respond. MN / WI locality.

34 posted on 01/29/2013 4:21:07 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: rcrngroup

I have 500 rounds of aussie military 7.62x51 I need to sell
but its in WA.


35 posted on 01/29/2013 5:24:24 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: Sacajaweau
People (mostly women) think they're friggin' machine guns...'cuz they saw 3 minutes of Rambo!!

In the interest of accuracy, make that (mostly liberal). Lots of liberal guys are just as ignorant as liberal women when it comes to guns.

At the same time, if you ask any of these people whether .22 rifles should be banned, you'll usually get an offended "Of course not".

36 posted on 01/29/2013 5:50:27 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: rcrngroup
www.sportsmansguide.com.

Magtech .308 M80 147gr. FMJ $165.99 for 250rds. Brass case, Boxer primed, non corrosive. Inventory no. B3X-233079

37 posted on 01/29/2013 6:55:14 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: RitchieAprile

Thanks for your answer however! I was just at Gander tonight, and their ammo stock has been replenished but with the exception of 223 and 308 ammo. Apparently there is another ammo shipment coming in this Thursday!


38 posted on 01/29/2013 9:07:16 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: metalurgist

Thanks much for the info!


39 posted on 01/29/2013 9:09:31 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: SeekAndFind

“When it comes to the assault weapons ban, Biden and Democrats like Feinstein are setting expectations somewhere between “not going to happen” and “unlikely.” And that’s probably about where they should be.”

And while the Obama et al race on to other issues to commandeer, their opposition remains paralyzed preparing for a grand fight which won’t happen.


40 posted on 01/29/2013 9:34:34 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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