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To: NKP_Vet

Ryan Smith: The Reality That Awaits Women in Combat

America has been creeping closer and closer to allowing women in combat, so Wednesday’s news that the decision has now been made is not a surprise. It appears that female soldiers will be allowed on the battlefield but not in the infantry. Yet it is a distinction without much difference: Infantry units serve side-by-side in combat with artillery, engineers, drivers, medics and others who will likely now include women. The Pentagon would do well to consider realities of life in combat as it pushes to mix men and women on the battlefield.

Many articles have been written regarding the relative strength of women and the possible effects on morale of introducing women into all-male units. Less attention has been paid to another aspect: the absolutely dreadful conditions under which grunts live during war.

Most people seem to believe that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have merely involved driving out of a forward operating base, patrolling the streets, maybe getting in a quick firefight, and then returning to the forward operating base and its separate shower facilities and chow hall. The reality of modern infantry combat, at least the portion I saw, bore little resemblance to this sanitized view.

I served in the 2003 invasion of Iraq as a Marine infantry squad leader. We rode into war crammed in the back of amphibious assault vehicles. They are designed to hold roughly 15 Marines snugly; due to maintenance issues, by the end of the invasion we had as many as 25 men stuffed into the back. Marines were forced to sit, in full gear, on each other’s laps and in contorted positions for hours on end. That was the least of our problems.

The invasion was a blitzkrieg. The goal was to move as fast to Baghdad as possible. The column would not stop for a lance corporal, sergeant, lieutenant, or even a company commander to go to the restroom. Sometimes we spent over 48 hours on the move without exiting the vehicles. We were forced to urinate in empty water bottles inches from our comrades.

Many Marines developed dysentery from the complete lack of sanitary conditions. When an uncontrollable urge hit a Marine, he would be forced to stand, as best he could, hold an MRE bag up to his rear, and defecate inches from his seated comrade’s face.

During the invasion, we wore chemical protective suits because of the fear of chemical or biological weapon attack. These are equivalent to a ski jumpsuit and hold in the heat. We also had to wear black rubber boots over our desert boots. On the occasions the column did stop, we would quickly peel off our rubber boots, desert boots and socks to let our feet air out.

Due to the heat and sweat, layers of our skin would peel off our feet. However, we rarely had time to remove our suits or perform even the most basic hygiene. We quickly developed sores on our bodies.

When we did reach Baghdad, we were in shambles. We had not showered in well over a month and our chemical protective suits were covered in a mixture of filth and dried blood. We were told to strip and place our suits in pits to be burned immediately. My unit stood there in a walled-in compound in Baghdad, naked, sores dotted all over our bodies, feet peeling, watching our suits burn. Later, they lined us up naked and washed us off with pressure washers.

Yes, a woman is as capable as a man of pulling a trigger. But the goal of our nation’s military is to fight and win wars. Before taking the drastic step of allowing women to serve in combat units, has the government considered whether introducing women into the above-described situation would have made my unit more or less combat effective?

Societal norms are a reality, and their maintenance is important to most members of a society. It is humiliating enough to relieve yourself in front of your male comrades; one can only imagine the humiliation of being forced to relieve yourself in front of the opposite sex.

Despite the professionalism of Marines, it would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex, particularly when your body has been ravaged by lack of hygiene. In the reverse, it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable and awkward position. Combat effectiveness is based in large part on unit cohesion. The relationships among members of a unit can be irreparably harmed by forcing them to violate societal norms.


18 posted on 01/26/2013 3:07:43 PM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Agreed. Women have no place wearing a uniform, being cops, ordering people around. no I am not a hundred years old, I’m a child of the 80s in fact. Seeing a woman wearing body armour is weird. It’s just so.. masculine. I also read about the unprecedented number of sexual assaults in the armed forces. It SHOULD be men only. I also read a very interesting report by a high ranking member of the US forces that the only time he’s seen a person fall HEAD FIRST down a ladder was a homosexual. He said- and I quote “the gays are the most clumsy, worthless group I’ve ever had the displeasure of leading”. I bet if you ask any member of our military what they honestly think about gay troops you’ll get a similar response. Personally, I am very anti-war period, and I do believe our soldiers were sent to war as a sort of blood sacrifice as some sort of sinister plot. If Israel wants war so badly, send THEIR guys over! Not ours. Our men have been brainwashed into this bizarre untruthful idea that we are being “attacked” and “must fight for democracy” along with other jingoistic buzz words that just don’t make any sense.


25 posted on 01/26/2013 3:39:48 PM PST by radiogirl
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To: servo1969

It had to be you I briefly heard on the radio the other day.
You may not have been brief, but I did not have on the radio to have heard everything.
Since then - only days ago - I have told your story many times to friends. . .

Gives me a chance to thank you for your service - our family of 11 g-kids thank you.

Notice the tag line . . .


56 posted on 01/26/2013 8:18:03 PM PST by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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