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Ausflag unveils new Aussie flag to be used at sporting events
news.com.au ^ | 24th January 2013 | Patrick Lion

Posted on 01/24/2013 4:16:33 AM PST by naturalman1975

Edited on 01/24/2013 6:22:49 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

A HIGH-powered alliance of top Australians has unveiled a new national sporting flag and plans to use it to gatecrash major sporting events.

Ausflag will push for sporting bodies and fans to embrace the green, gold, blue and white flag - still featuring the Southern Cross - and even want it to be raised as the official flag in Olympic Games medal ceremonies.


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TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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Our flag bears the stars that shine at night
In our southern sky so blue
And there's a little old flag in the corner
That is part of our heritage too

It's the English, the Scots, and the Irish
Who were sent to the end of the earth
The rogues and the schemers. The doers and dreamers
Who gave modern Australia birth

And you who are shouting to change it
You don't seem to understand
It's the flag of our laws and our language
Not just the flag of some far away land

Though there's plenty who'll tell if you ask them
How when Europe was plunged into night
How that little old flag in the corner
Was a symbol of freedom and light

It doesn't mean we owe an allegiance
To some forgotten imperial dream
We've got the stars to show where we are going
And the old flag to show where we've been

It's only a old piece of bunting
It's only an old coloured rag
But there thousands who've fought for its honour
And who fell in defence of that flag

1 posted on 01/24/2013 4:16:44 AM PST by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

guess Red dye is hard to come by.....since China is putting a wedge between the US and Australia.


2 posted on 01/24/2013 4:19:56 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: naturalman1975

Geez, that green and gold monstrosity is ugly.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 4:56:10 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: naturalman1975

I never knew Australia was a former British colony . . . in Africa.


4 posted on 01/24/2013 5:14:42 AM PST by Oratam
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To: Little Ray

All right! That’s enough about the Packers-49ers game!


5 posted on 01/24/2013 5:43:01 AM PST by gnickgnack2 (QUESTION obama's AUTHORITY)
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To: Little Ray
When I was down there, last year, I found out about this push from (apparently) a few malcontents to change the Australian Flag ... all the proposed new flags are (in my unsolicited Yankee American opinion) butt-ugly.

Now, it's not my country, and they didn't ask my advice, so I'll only say this:

If a bunch of 'progressive' bastards ever come up with a goofball notion to replace THIS Flag:

I'll certainly oppose them.

6 posted on 01/24/2013 5:53:40 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: naturalman1975

“ausflag” - sounds like it’s straight out of the newspeak dictionary.


7 posted on 01/24/2013 6:18:01 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: naturalman1975

The Canucks are having a minor flag kerfuffle too. A botanist claims the Maple Leaf is from a non-native invasive variety of maple.


8 posted on 01/24/2013 6:31:30 AM PST by DManA
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To: jtal
“ausflag” - sounds like it’s straight out of the newspeak dictionary

Isn't that the next town past ausfahrt?

9 posted on 01/24/2013 6:57:18 AM PST by Gil4 (Progressives - Trying to repeal the Law of Supply and Demand since 1848)
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To: DManA
I believe the issue with the maple leaf has to do with currency, not the flag. The leaf is stylized to begin with so it really doesn't matter. It does however allows for a nice seguay; until the 1965, the Canadian flag was a version of this:

As we all know (and as I experienced as a boy living in Canada), a new flag was adopted. Frankly, I hope the Aussies make the change.

10 posted on 01/24/2013 6:57:41 AM PST by stormer
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To: DManA
I believe the issue with the maple leaf has to do with currency, not the flag. The leaf is stylized to begin with so it really doesn't matter. It does however allows for a nice segue; until the 1965, the Canadian flag was a version of this:

As we all know (and as I experienced as a boy living in Canada), a new flag was adopted. Frankly, I hope the Aussies make the change.

11 posted on 01/24/2013 6:58:33 AM PST by stormer
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To: Little Ray
Green and gold are the color of Australian national sports uniforms.


12 posted on 01/24/2013 7:05:41 AM PST by stormer
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To: Gil4

Big town - heck of a lot of exits for it on the Autobahn.


13 posted on 01/24/2013 7:20:28 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Doogle

Not exactly a stirring flag I don’t think I will be dying for that one!

Mel


14 posted on 01/24/2013 7:26:27 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: stormer

Opps, you are correct sir. Now did I hear flag from a garbled source or did the garbling happen in my head?


15 posted on 01/24/2013 7:41:44 AM PST by DManA
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To: naturalman1975
Bloody foreigners!

Fun fact: Google: Harold Scruby.

The #3 hit is the wikipedia page for: wanker.

16 posted on 01/24/2013 8:20:29 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: naturalman1975

Not that my opinion means anything but I’m not at all impressed with that new flag.I think that the official national flag is pretty cool and,I’m sure,has great historical (and sentimental) significance to Aussies...just as our flag does to us.


17 posted on 01/24/2013 8:50:00 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Red State Secession Is The Only Answer)
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To: SoothingDave
Big town - heck of a lot of exits for it on the Autobahn.

And there seem to be many doors at the airport that lead to it as well.

18 posted on 01/24/2013 8:57:46 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Red State Secession Is The Only Answer)
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To: ArrogantBustard

How would you feel if the US flag included the flag of our former colonial masters?


19 posted on 01/24/2013 9:04:01 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
If we still recognized HM Elizabeth II as our sovereign, it would make sense.

We don't, so it doesn't.

YMMV.

20 posted on 01/24/2013 9:13:29 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Exactly. They are members of the Commonwealth of Nations.

Any explanation why there are 4 big stars and one little one on this flag?


21 posted on 01/24/2013 9:42:40 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

The layout of the Australian Flag, explained.

The five stars at the fly end are the Southern Cross (constellation), which is not visible from the Northern Hemisphere.

It's very recognizable in the Australian sky, much the same way as Orion and Ursa Major are here. Or, at least, I found it so.

22 posted on 01/24/2013 9:55:17 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: stormer

You see that poem? - Canada fought both world wars under the ensign. Applies just as much to Canada as it does to Australia.


23 posted on 01/24/2013 11:07:27 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

‘Former’?


24 posted on 01/24/2013 11:08:42 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Thanks. I thought it was just some “design element.”


25 posted on 01/24/2013 11:57:40 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; ArrogantBustard
It's very recognizable in the Australian sky, much the same way as Orion and Ursa Major are here. Or, at least, I found it so.

Because there is also no star (at least no visible star) at the celestial south pole, the Southern Cross is important to using the stars for traditional navigation in the Southern Hemisphere - it's long axis points almost directly at the south celestial pole. That makes it extremely symbolic in terms of showing something is in the southern half of the world.

The large star (directly under the Union Jack) is not part of a constellation - it's the Commonwealth Star. It has seven points - one for every one of the six states, and one that represents the territories combined. In that way, it serves a somewhat similar symbolic purpose to the fifty stars on the flag of the United States - if Australia ever gets another state, a point would be added to the star (the Northern Territory may one day become a state, and there is also provision in the Australian constitution for New Zealand to become a state - at the time the constitution was written, it was not clear which of the Australasian colonies would want to become part of Australia and so it was written so all could: "The States" shall mean such of the colonies of New South Wales, New Zealand, Queensland, Tasmania, Victoria, Western Australia, and South Australia, including the northern territory of South Australia, as for the time being are parts of the Commonwealth, and such colonies or territories as may be admitted into or established by the Commonwealth as States; and each of such parts of the Commonwealth shall be called "a State".

26 posted on 01/24/2013 2:29:16 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: stormer; JCBreckenridge
As we all know (and as I experienced as a boy living in Canada), a new flag was adopted. Frankly, I hope the Aussies make the change.

The Canadian situation is a bit different from the Australian though. The red ensign you've displayed was never actually an official Canadian flag. It was a commonly used one but it did not have the status of a National Flag in law (it had status as a Naval Ensign by order of the Admiralty, and the Canadian government encouraged its use in cases where a distinction between Britain and Canada was needed). Until 1965, the only official flag of Canada remained the Union Flag of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. While Canadians did fight under the Red Ensign during both World Wars, and in Korea and other smaller conflicts, it was not a National Flag.

In Australia, our current flag was accepted as official in 1903, only two years after Australia became a separate nation. We fought wars under it from 1901 onwards.

There's certainly no reason Canada should not have made the change it did - as a sovereign nation that is its right, and it may well have been the right change for Canada. But I do not think a similar change is warranted here.

27 posted on 01/24/2013 2:42:49 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

“While Canadians did fight under the Red Ensign during both World Wars, and in Korea and other smaller conflicts, it was not a National Flag.”

It was the national flag. It was flown at Rideau Hall, etc. The situation and the debate in the 60’s is exactly the same, for the exact same reasons between the exact same camps.

Sure, they had the right to change the flag - but should they have changed it? Absolutely not. Neither should Australia. What is Australia without her heritage?


28 posted on 01/24/2013 2:53:37 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
It was the national flag.

No, it was not. It was never gazetted as such, nor proclaimed as such by the Monarch (or the Governor General in the name of the Monarch).

Australia's flag was proclaimed as a National Flag by King Edward VII on 11th February 1903, and Gazetted as such on 20th February 1903, after about one and a half years of unofficial use. Neither of these steps ever took place for the Canadian Red Ensign. It was used on the basis of Orders in Council by the Canadian government but those orders did not create a national flag, merely something to be used as an alternative when confusion would be caused by use of the Union Flag alone.

The Maple Leaf Flag was proclaimed by Queen Elizabeth II on January 28, 1965 and gazetted as such on February 15, 1965, the first time these things had been done for any Canadian flag, and that's what made it an official National Flag.

I'm a retired protocol officer of the Royal Australian Navy. These distinctions were my bread and butter. They don't matter to most people in most cases, but they are important in some situations.

Put in another way - you could argue that the Canadian Red Ensign was a de facto National Flag from around 1892 onwards, but you could never argue that it was a de jure National Flag. In the case of Australia's flag, it gained de facto status as such on 3rd September 1901 when it was flown over the first Parliament of Australia - but it also gained de jure status on 20th February 1903.

29 posted on 01/24/2013 3:16:50 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: ArrogantBustard

The Southern Cross is most certainly visible from the northern hemisphere, although in it’s entirety only from about 25 degrees north and southward (Hawaii, for example). Orion is visible at some point during the year globally, while Ursa Major is only viewable in the northern part of the southern hemisphere during a portion of the year.


30 posted on 01/24/2013 6:48:28 PM PST by stormer
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To: naturalman1975

Very interesting. Thank you for the information!


31 posted on 01/24/2013 6:51:08 PM PST by stormer
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
How would you feel if the US flag included the flag of our former colonial masters?

The Hawaii State Flag still does.


32 posted on 01/24/2013 6:51:48 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: naturalman1975

“Put in another way - you could argue that the Canadian Red Ensign was a de facto National Flag from around 1892 onwards, but you could never argue that it was a de jure National Flag.”

It’s a core part of Canadian heritage. Same with the Australian flag.


33 posted on 01/24/2013 7:33:09 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
It’s a core part of Canadian heritage. Same with the Australian flag.

That may be so. I'm not a Canadian, though, so I don't presume to tell Canadians what they should think on this issue.

If Australia hadn't got around to designing a national flag until the 1960s, I think ours would be different than it is.

34 posted on 01/24/2013 10:00:24 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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