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Ryan blames Republican election loss on poor communication, turnout
reuters ^ | 1/23/13 | Thomas Ferraro

Posted on 01/23/2013 5:25:02 PM PST by Baynative

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To: sand88
The entire blame for Romney's loss lies solely with the disgusting GOP-e, the likes of Rove, Preibus, D.C beltway pundits, etal. I agree
51 posted on 01/23/2013 6:41:36 PM PST by tommix2 (,)
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To: jrcats

The voter fraud in the states obama needed was the tipping point. Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and probably others, .. that had 100% for Dems in some precincts. You know that is fraud. But no one except West tried to stop it... the deck was stacked against the Republicans.. especially when so many stayed home. Maybe they thought Romney would win, from the turnout when he spoke during the campaign.. but they misjudged just how far the left will go to get their way. Badly misjudged them.


52 posted on 01/23/2013 6:48:29 PM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: who knows what evil?
Indeed...dems supported Romney wherever an open primary was available to them. Thank you I did not know that.
53 posted on 01/23/2013 6:52:54 PM PST by tommix2 (,)
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To: frnewsjunkie
the deck was stacked against the Republicans.. - by the Republican establishment.
54 posted on 01/23/2013 6:57:53 PM PST by tommix2 (,)
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To: SatinDoll

The only one that lost the election was Romney and Romney only. Many conservatives felt that the election was lost once Romney became the nominee because he is a milquetoast liberal Republican. Yeah, the other candidates may have well lost too but it was pretty certain that we were doomed once the media anointed candidate to take on Obama was chosen


55 posted on 01/23/2013 7:00:05 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Baynative

Dole, then McCain, then Bush, then Romney. Enough! We don’t want someone from the Rotary club. We want someone with conservative ideals. I’d rather run Rand Paul and lose than put another check pants republican on the ticket. And speaking of Rand Paul, I think he could run and WIN!


56 posted on 01/23/2013 7:00:54 PM PST by Katiana Kalashnikova
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To: kiryandil
the Obama campaign just had more walking-around money to “spread the wealth” than did the Wisconsin recall forces - and this was true in ALL the swing states.<<<

yeah...and they had better control of all the voting machines in all the swing states as well...I think that helped them alot too....

57 posted on 01/23/2013 7:01:46 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Baynative

Communication? Well, as if I hadn’t already been starkly unenthusiastic over having a nominee that was a Massachusetts liberal, take the GOP convention: Not even allowing the very words “tea party” to be uttered, and compound this with the obvious “get lost” message to Sarah Palin. That was a very CLEAR communication to me.

The GOP might as well have spit in my face.


58 posted on 01/23/2013 7:04:29 PM PST by greene66
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To: jwalsh07
He lost because Obama can turn out 90% plus in urban America.<<

yeah..and he can turn out 110% plus in many Afro-American run cities and precincts too..../s

59 posted on 01/23/2013 7:08:41 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Katiana Kalashnikova

Start thinking Tea Party.

More and more. Think about it.

Not saying anyone should actually do anything about it yet, but do not let the Tea Party out of your mind.

Think about it.

Become familiar with the idea. Tea Party.


60 posted on 01/23/2013 7:11:59 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Baynative; blam

Doormat RINO Ryan File.


61 posted on 01/23/2013 7:14:23 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I appreciate the answer but it makes me laugh. This is symptomatic of where we are. Everyone believes they have the answer. I didn’t expect Nikki Haley, but that’s OK. Are you saying she’s the only one you would vote for? That’s our problem, we all want it to either be our guy (or girl) or we won’t play ball. This is one reason we still have Obama. This is unacceptable.


62 posted on 01/23/2013 7:25:20 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: M-cubed

Yes he can and there is no sarcasm here at all. If republicans want to win national elections they have to understand that.


63 posted on 01/23/2013 7:28:09 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Baynative

It is all the freebies the dems are handing out. Plain and simple.


64 posted on 01/23/2013 7:32:00 PM PST by willk
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To: ScottinVA

“America isn`t a center-right country anymore.”
I hate to agree with you, but I do. We keep talking about the base that didn’t come out to vote. Maybe they just ain’t there.

Our base had its best chance ever in 2008 to elect the Reagan heir, Sarah Palin. They didn’t show up.

And the base that didn’t show up in 2012, if it exists, probably stayed home to speed up America’s demise. Lot of people I know say that there is no way this country can turn around until it crashes first.
And lot of those folks want to see Obama take it up his arrogant ass and see him crash and burn.

I voted Romney/Ryan, but am inclined to believe in the doomsday scenario as the only way to wake up this country.


65 posted on 01/23/2013 8:01:38 PM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Baynative

Paul Paul Paul

It was that liberal we were stuck with for the GOP nominee

you know that guy at the top of the ticket...


66 posted on 01/23/2013 8:07:39 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Baynative

DENIAL AIN’T PRETTY


67 posted on 01/23/2013 9:01:12 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: A'elian' nation
We keep talking about the base that didn’t come out to vote. Maybe they just ain’t there.

Oh, the base is still there. They came out in force in the congressional elections in 2010. We (I, being part of "the base") just didn't have a candidate to come out for in 2012.

Romney was,is and always will be a liberal and he as much as said piss on the Tea Party, Sarah Palin and every conservative, they in turn, said, piss on you Romney.

68 posted on 01/23/2013 9:03:03 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.)
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To: paul544

Offer a better product than warmed up RINO next time


69 posted on 01/23/2013 9:05:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Baynative

So, Mr. Ryan, you don’t think Mitt, and yours, support of the Gay Agenda and Abortion had nothing to do with your loss?

Or your team’s lackluster support of smaller and limited government?

You really think we are stupid, don’t you?!


70 posted on 01/23/2013 9:11:21 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I appreciate the answer but it makes me laugh. This is symptomatic of where we are. Everyone believes they have the answer. I didn’t expect Nikki Haley, but that’s OK. Are you saying she’s the only one you would vote for? That’s our problem, we all want it to either be our guy (or girl) or we won’t play ball. This is one reason we still have Obama. This is unacceptable.

Spoken like somebody who thought Romney was acceptable.

Like Hell we do!

Give a conservative, not a lying, progressive liberal like Mitt Romney who supports both the Gay Agenda and Abortion, and the base, the GOP, and Independents will turn out and vote for the GOP candidate.

Until then, you're going to get the same result.
71 posted on 01/23/2013 9:15:50 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Graybeard58

“We keep talking about the base that didn’t come out to vote. Maybe they just ain’t there.”

“Oh, the base is still there. They came out in force in the congressional elections in 2010. We (I, being part of “the base”) just didn’t have a candidate to come out for in 2012.”

In 2014 we’re going to find out if “the base is still there” or not.

I have no crystal ball, but I sense that the results are going to shock a lot of people — one way or the other...


72 posted on 01/23/2013 9:46:47 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Baynative; All






Of course it was voter fraud.

Surely no one believes America voted to reelect the Marxist/Muslim usurper- the worst president in American history?






Can't you just imagine the above was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?

Next time? What makes them think the massive voter fraud in this last farce of an election won't be repeated? If we don't clean up our voting system, there may not be a next time. We may not see another Republican president in our lifetime


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Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012


What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the criminal Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.

>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.

>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.

>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.

>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?

Massive voter fraud.

That and no other reason

Almost every major Conservative website has put out an article charging voter fraud- Breitbart, American Thinker, Atlas Shrugs, WND, The Blaze, Front Page Magazine, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Town Hall, Human Events, Canada Free Press...


We cannot wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....




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Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent

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Visit the site- Here

Astonishing!


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Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here

Republican pole watchers; busloads of Somalians brought in Here



THE JEWISH TASK FORCE makes a excellent case that Mitt defeated Obama in 2012, if not for fraud. Here



Another poll watcher observes voter fraud Here

Spanish Company Associated w/Geo. Soros Will “Count” America's Votes Overseas In November Here



CANADA FREE PRESS: Here

WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Here


Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud on 'Hannity' after the election Nov 12- Here

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Believe it or not, there ARE patriots out there who are going to FIGHT Obama's reelection- unlike the spineless Republicans who remain silent!

Visit the website; 'The Competent Conservative'

Here

'These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below... '





Visit the website, 'Halt Voter Fraud':

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'This election is not over - YET. Obama has not been elected by the Electoral College - YET. The Presidential election is being stolen from us with "Chicago Style" thuggery - and we can STOP the thieves in their tracks. But we do not have time on our side. This is our LAST chance. Don't give up. We must act now.

If massive voter fraud has occured as alleged by so many, and if the state vote counts include these FRAUDULENT votes, then is it logical to say that the entire state vote is COMPROMISED and can't be trusted? 59,000,000 Americans might agree!

The state vote is used to determine the allocation of Electors in the Electoral College which actually elects the President and Vice President.

If the vote count is FRAUDULENT, FLAWED, and CAN'T BE TRUSTED - and if the Electors have been FRAUDULENTLY allocated based on FLAWED vote counts - then WE CANNOT ALLOW THE GOVERNORS TO SIGN THEIR CERTIFICATES of ASCERTAINMENT on December 17th. We can stop this if we ACT IMMEDIATELY.

***** CALL TO ARMS ***** FIVE STATE CAPITOLS ***** SEVEN DAYS *******

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Remember the Battle of Trenton?

We can make HISTORY TODAY.'

More- Here

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Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here

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Sign this petition- almost 117,000 and counting -cards, email- Here

Sign the ‘We The People’ petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here

Click and sign the petition for a recount Here-

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Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here



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Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here

The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here

Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here

American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here

WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here

Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here

Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here

Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here

WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here

The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs: Here

WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports: Here

Nachum's List of Voter Fraud: Here

MORE:

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Appalachian Forums: Here

Before It's News: Here

WND: Here

Political Outcast: Here

True The Vote: Here

Fox News Insider: Here

Human Events; Here

The Will County News: Here

Fox News: Here

WND: Here

Townhall: Here

Breitbart Here

Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here

Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here

Human Events: Here

Front Page Magazine: Here

The Blaze Here

The Daily Caller: Here

Front Page Magazine Here

Military Voter Protection Project: Here

BreitBart Here

Townhall: Here

Fox News Here

The Blaze Here






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The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here

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73 posted on 01/23/2013 10:09:03 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: Baynative
1) Run a conservative the next time. The grassroots will get behind that person. 2) Because they will win by not excluding other conservatives, like the nitwit did with Sarah Palin from his own convention. What a telling sign that was and oh, Romney's slip that some parts of Obamcare they would keep. The Gop-e moderates had the base figured out wrong. People have had enough of the lies and let downs. Now, they want to be a moderate party. Personally, I hope the party burns down and something stronger comes out of it. This one is Not working as it is (weakness and corruption) Next...
74 posted on 01/24/2013 12:13:11 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: SoConPubbie
The reality was that the choice was between Romney and Obama--no brainer. Romney was far more acceptable than Obama. We must start living in reality.

I'll ask you the same question, what Republicans will you find acceptable to vote for for president? Remember, be realistic.

75 posted on 01/24/2013 4:33:24 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; SoConPubbie
"We have to do a better job of explaining and demonstrating why our ideas are better" on such issues as fighting poverty and helping people move up "the ladder of life," Ryan said.

Ryan is partially right about the failure to communicate idea. He and Romney did not articulate the conservative position very well at all. Personally, the more Ryan appeared, the more I didn't think his communication style was effective. The larger issues, though, are quality of communication, and Ryan is right about that.

The elephant in the room, though, about communication is that the Republicans are seriously outgunned when it comes to getting their message out. Outside of Fox, talk radio, and conservative blogs, the republicans CANNOT get their message out. The liberal party owns 9/10ths of broadcast and cable media, just as much or more of the internet, nearly 100% of Hollywood, cinema, comedy, entertainment TV, TV talk shows, sitcoms, soaps, sports broadcasters, printing companies, and in-print authors.

Americans hear 25 liberal messages for any 1 conservative message. The American media has successfully locked out the conservative message from getting heard by the average American. They are in the process of doing the same with every subject imaginable from the budget battles to the discussion of abortion.

So, even if both Ryan and Romney had been absolutely pristine perfect in every communication they ever made, they still wouldn't have gotten that message to America in any kind of timely way.

So far as turnout is concerned, many bemoan the conservatives who stayed home. They is Romney's responsibility. He turned them off with his comments about gay adoption, gay couples, gay military, health of mother abortion, bi-partisan gun legislation, "revenue" enhancement, and silence on major foreign policy disasters such as Benghazi, the Arab Spring, and budgetary waste, fraud, and abuse, particularly the 300 billion dollar annual interest payment on debt.

Romney alienated values voters the most, and that was because he was intentionally dropping hints in an effort to attract moderate liberals away from the Dem Party. Why, though, would these vote for a closet liberal when they could have the real thing? So, Romney failed in attracting them at all and in the process he lost many social conservatives.

What should future conservative campaigns look like?

First, conservatives need to gain control of more media power.

Second, conservatives must run conservatives campaigns, talk proudly of conservative issues, and BELIEVE in their conservative take on the world.

76 posted on 01/24/2013 6:09:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Baynative

I blame it on the new castrati message they have adopted. A bunch of pu__ies.


77 posted on 01/24/2013 7:03:02 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Graybeard58

I have previously posted that we have an advantage in the midterm elections because the other side (the low information voter side) does not regard them as consequential as voting for some presidential savior. They just don’t show up to vote. It’s tough enough for these scum to trudge to the polls once every 4 years.

It also explains why Scott Walker won his recall vote
( off year election , and we lost his state in 2012.

Voting is like a horror movie. The Zombies only come out every four years.


78 posted on 01/24/2013 7:09:03 AM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: patriot08
Thank you for your detailed research and a great post. I hope this thread continues and people will look through some of the links you offered.

What you have shown is supportive of what I think is an important change we can all work for on a local basis. That is to reform our individual states into proportional allocation of electoral college votes as Kansas and Maine do. It is the current 'winner take all' system that allows democrats to control national elections with fraudulent vote conducted exclusively in urban areas.

Under the proportional allocation model, the state gives two of it's votes (equal to it's Senators) according to the over-all popular vote return. But the electoral vote in each congressional district is awarded by that district's preference.

A good example is the battle ground state of Pennsylvania that gave 20 electoral votes to Obama. Had the vote there been allocated proportionally, only 6 districts would have decidedly gone to Obama.

Moving to proportional allocation would be a way that citizens could against congress designing their own safe districts during census reapportionment. I don't know if an national change to this system would have changed the election. But, it would have made every vote count as opposed to so many of our citizens falling victim to taxation without representation.

79 posted on 01/24/2013 7:19:00 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: Baynative
Ryan's performance against Joey Plugs was absolutely pathetic.

He actually let Joey claim that he and the POTUS "Knew Nothing" about Benghazi, when the world knows that The Mombasa MF was watching the event go down live.

Perfect answer, "Well Joe, I wouldn't tell you anything either.... but here's what happened." Ryan and Whatsisname's tragically inept performance over the last 6 weeks of their "campaign" absolutely handed victory to Obama. Both of these wimps thought the secret of the campaiugn was that "they were not Obama." No Plan. No Program. No Leadership. No Results. Waddya need, a frickin' map?

Want to know whom to blame, Ryan? You, The Mormon Milquetoast, and your campaign advisors go in the bathroom together and look in the mirror, that is if any of you can pull your heads out of each other's dark and smelly place.

80 posted on 01/24/2013 10:57:53 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, what the hell happened to Reggie Love? Who's in the playroom with Barry now?)
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To: Baynative

Thank you


81 posted on 01/24/2013 1:29:48 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: Baynative

How about a True Conservative. not a Rino or Liberal or Elite RNC Candidate.....Or even a Libraterian-—like Ran Paul/Cruz...in2016


82 posted on 01/24/2013 1:41:58 PM PST by rxtn41
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To: rxtn41
"How about a True Conservative."

That would be a good start. But, it is not the be all if we don't do a much better job of combating the left and their media. Don't forget, they have owned our public school system for two (plus) generations now. Also when any true conservative begins to gain appreciation they will be attacked hard and often by the media. They went after Palin viciously. They went after Rubio and they are already throwing out hit pieces about Ted Cruz.

...and are conservatives fighting back? HELL NO. They are busy confirming the traitor John Kerry as Secretary of State.

83 posted on 01/24/2013 2:00:36 PM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: GeronL

A better product? I guess the guy in the White House is better.


84 posted on 01/24/2013 3:34:31 PM PST by paul544
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Are you saying she’s the only one you would vote for?

No, and I'm not sure where you got that from. Assuming she's interested, she may be the best, but not the only, choice we have.

85 posted on 01/24/2013 5:03:06 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I’m just trying to figure out how serious of a problem we have if everyone has only those they will support. Is there any Republican you will NOT support—no matter what.


86 posted on 01/24/2013 5:08:38 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Let's put it this way. I voted for Romney in 2012 because four more years of this were not an option. It was my hope that we could elect Romney to stop Obama, and a Conservative Congress to stop Romney, but that didn't happen. I would make the same choice again, but not before working and spending my tail off to get a Conservative nominated.

If you want to see my take on how serious a problem we have, see my post #12. for my take on why we lost.

87 posted on 01/24/2013 5:22:13 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Ryan and Whatsisname's tragically inept performance over the last 6 weeks of their "campaign" absolutely handed victory to Obama. Both of these wimps thought the secret of the campaiugn was that "they were not Obama." No Plan. No Program. No Leadership. No Results. Waddya need, a frickin' map?

Hit it right on the head.

Setting aside all the lies, the pandering, the sliding positions and lack of core beliefs, it's not so much that they ran a dishonest campaign (which they did), but also an incompetent one.

They bought into the "un-skewed polls" nonsense, so they had no idea how competitive they were and where.

They didn't bother to field-test their GOTV technology, so they were shocked, shocked when it didn't work on Election Day.

At least at one point, the campaign lost track of how much money they had spent and how much they had left.

But hey, they made sure to hand out those bonuses to cronies before the job was done. Gotta take care of the people that really matter, right?
88 posted on 01/24/2013 5:25:46 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: jwalsh07
"He lost because Obama can turn out 90% plus in urban America."

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Only people Romney could attract were Republican collectivists and people who did not want another 4 years of Obama.

What the Repubs needed was to reach out to those who normally do not vote and inspire. 2012 became a cynics dream match-up of "we are screwed either way" mantra. Romney was a prototypical caricature of everything wrong about Repubs in the media's/dem's eyes (Also in those who favor limited government's eyes as well).
89 posted on 01/24/2013 5:36:35 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I remember that post. You are spot on. How do we win again? Everyone thinks they have the answers but I don't necessarily believe it. My thinking is more along the lines of yours.

I told a friend today that if we're fortunate enough to have another election, I don't care which one of our Republicans we get--I just want to stop these evil Democrats.

90 posted on 01/24/2013 6:47:39 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: xzins; Conservativegreatgrandma
Second, conservatives must run conservatives campaigns, talk proudly of conservative issues, and BELIEVE in their conservative take on the world.

Ryan sacrificed that position when he basically said that gays in the military was a settled issue.

At that moment, he proved he did not BELIEVE in conservative social positions.

At that point, the mask was off, and he was shown to be just a mere politician calculating what his position should be in order to win an election.

If we are to win another Presidential election, this has to stop.
91 posted on 01/24/2013 7:04:09 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; xzins
The reality was that the choice was between Romney and Obama--no brainer. Romney was far more acceptable than Obama. We must start living in reality.

The reality is, that as a conservative Christian, I cannot vote for someone who is purposefully taking stands against God's laws, under any circumstances. To do so would harm my relationship with God and that is the most important thing to a Christian, or should be.

I'll ask you the same question, what Republicans will you find acceptable to vote for for president? Remember, be realistic.

Anybody who is both a fiscal AND social conservative. Otherwise, I vote third party.

And I'd bet that a lot of conservatives, a lot more than in 2012, are now in that boat as well. The GOP better get it's house in order if it expects to win another Presidential election.
92 posted on 01/24/2013 7:09:41 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie; Conservativegreatgrandma; xzins
Anybody who is both a fiscal AND social conservative. Otherwise, I vote third party.

Knowing what I know today, the following conservatives are acceptable to me:

1. Sarah Palin
2. Scott Walker
3. Jim Demint
4. Senator Cruz

Both Jindal and Rubio are 2nd tier, and Rubio is problematic being the Amnest Queen that he is.

I can think of noone else right now that hasn't proven themselves to be unreliable in terms of either Fiscal or Social conservatism.
93 posted on 01/24/2013 7:20:01 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
The reality is, that as a conservative Christian, I cannot vote for someone who is purposefully taking stands against God's laws, under any circumstances. To do so would harm my relationship with God and that is the most important thing to a Christian, or should be.

Does making it easier for the worse evil to win, knowing that Obama or Romney would be the next President, make things right with God? Anyone who believes that Goode or any other third party candidate had a chance can stop reading now.

Anybody who is both a fiscal AND social conservative. Otherwise, I vote third party. And I'd bet that a lot of conservatives, a lot more than in 2012, are now in that boat as well. The GOP better get it's house in order if it expects to win another Presidential election.

You're missing the real problem, which is that Americans in general have moved to the left. That's why we keep getting RINOs instead of true Conservatives. Do you honestly believe a real Conservative could have beaten Scott Brown in Massachusetts for the nomination. I don't.

We need to win Americans to Conservative values if we're going to get Conservative candidates again. Blaming the GOPe may feel good and be the easy way out, but all it will do is take Conservative votes way from the Conservative choices we have.

I spent a lot to get ABR nominated, but it didn't happen. In a situation where either Obama or Romney was going to be our next President, I wasn't going to make it easier for Obama to win by voting third party.

94 posted on 01/26/2013 6:52:03 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty; xzins


I've been hearing a lot of that nonsense lately, and most of it coming either from those who would be considered GOP-E, or supported Romney whole-heartedly, or who are Moderates in the GOP.

When we have someone whose record as Governor proclaims him to be a Progressive Liberal as our Presidential Candidate, this kind of weak reasoning is almost self-fulfilling. When the GOP runs someone who is Pro-Gay Agenda, Pro-Abortion, what do you expect?

The whole premise that this idea that the country is moving center-left is built on a shaky foundation of half-facts.

Almost half of those eligible to vote didn't vote in 2012 and we know there was massive cheating.

Combine that with a totally lackluster candidate in Mitt Romney who purposefully went out of his way to alienate the base of the GOP, conservatives, in his rush to try and win the moderate vote and your conclusion that the country is moving center-left is worthless and you've become nothing less than a puppet of the GOP-E in their desire to move the party to the left, since the GOP-E never believed either in social conservatism or fiscal conservatism.
95 posted on 01/26/2013 10:13:10 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty; xzins
You're missing the real problem, which is that Americans in general have moved to the left. That's why we keep getting RINOs instead of true Conservatives. Do you honestly believe a real Conservative could have beaten Scott Brown in Massachusetts for the nomination. I don't.

I've been hearing a lot of that nonsense lately, and most of it coming either from those who would be considered GOP-E, or supported Romney whole-heartedly, or who are Moderates in the GOP.

When we have someone whose record as Governor proclaims him to be a Progressive Liberal as our Presidential Candidate, this kind of weak reasoning is almost self-fulfilling. When the GOP runs someone who is Pro-Gay Agenda, Pro-Abortion, what do you expect?

The whole premise that this idea that the country is moving center-left is built on a shaky foundation of half-facts.

Almost half of those eligible to vote didn't vote in 2012 and we know there was massive cheating.

Combine that with a totally lackluster candidate in Mitt Romney who purposefully went out of his way to alienate the base of the GOP, conservatives, in his rush to try and win the moderate vote and your conclusion that the country is moving center-left is worthless and you've become nothing less than a puppet of the GOP-E in their desire to move the party to the left, since the GOP-E never believed either in social conservatism or fiscal conservatism.
96 posted on 01/26/2013 10:14:06 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty; xzins
Does making it easier for the worse evil to win, knowing that Obama or Romney would be the next President, make things right with God? Anyone who believes that Goode or any other third party candidate had a chance can stop reading now.

I'm sure God doesn't look at things in a pragmatic way. He expects me to live by his laws, not by the lessor of two evils rule that you are employing.
97 posted on 01/26/2013 10:16:11 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
I've been hearing a lot of that nonsense lately, and most of it coming either from those who would be considered GOP-E, or supported Romney whole-heartedly, or who are Moderates in the GOP.

Hearing what? That our next President was either going to be Romney or Obama? Fine, post your rebuttal of how this was wrong.

When we have someone whose record as Governor proclaims him to be a Progressive Liberal as our Presidential Candidate, this kind of weak reasoning is almost self-fulfilling. When the GOP runs someone who is Pro-Gay Agenda, Pro-Abortion, what do you expect?

First of all, I agree with your assessment of Romney's voting record. That's why I say, once he was nominated of course, that I was voting for Romney to stop Obama, and a Conservative Congress to stop Romney. Neither happened.

That said, I expect you to face the REALITY that we got stuck with Romney, because that's who the voters nominated. You want to blame the GOPe, but who within the GOPe pointed a gun at anyone's head and forced them to vote for Romney during the primaries?

The whole premise that this idea that the country is moving center-left is built on a shaky foundation of half-facts.

So, why don't you share those half facts and your rebuttal to them? And don't forget to explain why the primary voters nominated Romney if they weren't moving to the, as you said, center-left.

I'm sure God doesn't look at things in a pragmatic way. He expects me to live by his laws, not by the lessor of two evils rule that you are employing.

Since you invoke God, why don't you try doing what He said, which is "Go and make disciples of all nations", and not to go writing some of us off because we may not be "non-Hispanic whites". You want to win again, then do what God said rather than take the easy way out.

98 posted on 01/26/2013 11:47:32 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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