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Ryan blames Republican election loss on poor communication, turnout
reuters ^ | 1/23/13 | Thomas Ferraro

Posted on 01/23/2013 5:25:02 PM PST by Baynative

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To: Baynative

Thank you


81 posted on 01/24/2013 1:29:48 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: Baynative

How about a True Conservative. not a Rino or Liberal or Elite RNC Candidate.....Or even a Libraterian-—like Ran Paul/Cruz...in2016


82 posted on 01/24/2013 1:41:58 PM PST by rxtn41
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To: rxtn41
"How about a True Conservative."

That would be a good start. But, it is not the be all if we don't do a much better job of combating the left and their media. Don't forget, they have owned our public school system for two (plus) generations now. Also when any true conservative begins to gain appreciation they will be attacked hard and often by the media. They went after Palin viciously. They went after Rubio and they are already throwing out hit pieces about Ted Cruz.

...and are conservatives fighting back? HELL NO. They are busy confirming the traitor John Kerry as Secretary of State.

83 posted on 01/24/2013 2:00:36 PM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: GeronL

A better product? I guess the guy in the White House is better.


84 posted on 01/24/2013 3:34:31 PM PST by paul544
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Are you saying she’s the only one you would vote for?

No, and I'm not sure where you got that from. Assuming she's interested, she may be the best, but not the only, choice we have.

85 posted on 01/24/2013 5:03:06 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

I’m just trying to figure out how serious of a problem we have if everyone has only those they will support. Is there any Republican you will NOT support—no matter what.


86 posted on 01/24/2013 5:08:38 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Let's put it this way. I voted for Romney in 2012 because four more years of this were not an option. It was my hope that we could elect Romney to stop Obama, and a Conservative Congress to stop Romney, but that didn't happen. I would make the same choice again, but not before working and spending my tail off to get a Conservative nominated.

If you want to see my take on how serious a problem we have, see my post #12. for my take on why we lost.

87 posted on 01/24/2013 5:22:13 PM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Ryan and Whatsisname's tragically inept performance over the last 6 weeks of their "campaign" absolutely handed victory to Obama. Both of these wimps thought the secret of the campaiugn was that "they were not Obama." No Plan. No Program. No Leadership. No Results. Waddya need, a frickin' map?

Hit it right on the head.

Setting aside all the lies, the pandering, the sliding positions and lack of core beliefs, it's not so much that they ran a dishonest campaign (which they did), but also an incompetent one.

They bought into the "un-skewed polls" nonsense, so they had no idea how competitive they were and where.

They didn't bother to field-test their GOTV technology, so they were shocked, shocked when it didn't work on Election Day.

At least at one point, the campaign lost track of how much money they had spent and how much they had left.

But hey, they made sure to hand out those bonuses to cronies before the job was done. Gotta take care of the people that really matter, right?
88 posted on 01/24/2013 5:25:46 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: jwalsh07
"He lost because Obama can turn out 90% plus in urban America."

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Only people Romney could attract were Republican collectivists and people who did not want another 4 years of Obama.

What the Repubs needed was to reach out to those who normally do not vote and inspire. 2012 became a cynics dream match-up of "we are screwed either way" mantra. Romney was a prototypical caricature of everything wrong about Repubs in the media's/dem's eyes (Also in those who favor limited government's eyes as well).
89 posted on 01/24/2013 5:36:35 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I remember that post. You are spot on. How do we win again? Everyone thinks they have the answers but I don't necessarily believe it. My thinking is more along the lines of yours.

I told a friend today that if we're fortunate enough to have another election, I don't care which one of our Republicans we get--I just want to stop these evil Democrats.

90 posted on 01/24/2013 6:47:39 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: xzins; Conservativegreatgrandma
Second, conservatives must run conservatives campaigns, talk proudly of conservative issues, and BELIEVE in their conservative take on the world.

Ryan sacrificed that position when he basically said that gays in the military was a settled issue.

At that moment, he proved he did not BELIEVE in conservative social positions.

At that point, the mask was off, and he was shown to be just a mere politician calculating what his position should be in order to win an election.

If we are to win another Presidential election, this has to stop.
91 posted on 01/24/2013 7:04:09 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; xzins
The reality was that the choice was between Romney and Obama--no brainer. Romney was far more acceptable than Obama. We must start living in reality.

The reality is, that as a conservative Christian, I cannot vote for someone who is purposefully taking stands against God's laws, under any circumstances. To do so would harm my relationship with God and that is the most important thing to a Christian, or should be.

I'll ask you the same question, what Republicans will you find acceptable to vote for for president? Remember, be realistic.

Anybody who is both a fiscal AND social conservative. Otherwise, I vote third party.

And I'd bet that a lot of conservatives, a lot more than in 2012, are now in that boat as well. The GOP better get it's house in order if it expects to win another Presidential election.
92 posted on 01/24/2013 7:09:41 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie; Conservativegreatgrandma; xzins
Anybody who is both a fiscal AND social conservative. Otherwise, I vote third party.

Knowing what I know today, the following conservatives are acceptable to me:

1. Sarah Palin
2. Scott Walker
3. Jim Demint
4. Senator Cruz

Both Jindal and Rubio are 2nd tier, and Rubio is problematic being the Amnest Queen that he is.

I can think of noone else right now that hasn't proven themselves to be unreliable in terms of either Fiscal or Social conservatism.
93 posted on 01/24/2013 7:20:01 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
The reality is, that as a conservative Christian, I cannot vote for someone who is purposefully taking stands against God's laws, under any circumstances. To do so would harm my relationship with God and that is the most important thing to a Christian, or should be.

Does making it easier for the worse evil to win, knowing that Obama or Romney would be the next President, make things right with God? Anyone who believes that Goode or any other third party candidate had a chance can stop reading now.

Anybody who is both a fiscal AND social conservative. Otherwise, I vote third party. And I'd bet that a lot of conservatives, a lot more than in 2012, are now in that boat as well. The GOP better get it's house in order if it expects to win another Presidential election.

You're missing the real problem, which is that Americans in general have moved to the left. That's why we keep getting RINOs instead of true Conservatives. Do you honestly believe a real Conservative could have beaten Scott Brown in Massachusetts for the nomination. I don't.

We need to win Americans to Conservative values if we're going to get Conservative candidates again. Blaming the GOPe may feel good and be the easy way out, but all it will do is take Conservative votes way from the Conservative choices we have.

I spent a lot to get ABR nominated, but it didn't happen. In a situation where either Obama or Romney was going to be our next President, I wasn't going to make it easier for Obama to win by voting third party.

94 posted on 01/26/2013 6:52:03 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty; xzins


I've been hearing a lot of that nonsense lately, and most of it coming either from those who would be considered GOP-E, or supported Romney whole-heartedly, or who are Moderates in the GOP.

When we have someone whose record as Governor proclaims him to be a Progressive Liberal as our Presidential Candidate, this kind of weak reasoning is almost self-fulfilling. When the GOP runs someone who is Pro-Gay Agenda, Pro-Abortion, what do you expect?

The whole premise that this idea that the country is moving center-left is built on a shaky foundation of half-facts.

Almost half of those eligible to vote didn't vote in 2012 and we know there was massive cheating.

Combine that with a totally lackluster candidate in Mitt Romney who purposefully went out of his way to alienate the base of the GOP, conservatives, in his rush to try and win the moderate vote and your conclusion that the country is moving center-left is worthless and you've become nothing less than a puppet of the GOP-E in their desire to move the party to the left, since the GOP-E never believed either in social conservatism or fiscal conservatism.
95 posted on 01/26/2013 10:13:10 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty; xzins
You're missing the real problem, which is that Americans in general have moved to the left. That's why we keep getting RINOs instead of true Conservatives. Do you honestly believe a real Conservative could have beaten Scott Brown in Massachusetts for the nomination. I don't.

I've been hearing a lot of that nonsense lately, and most of it coming either from those who would be considered GOP-E, or supported Romney whole-heartedly, or who are Moderates in the GOP.

When we have someone whose record as Governor proclaims him to be a Progressive Liberal as our Presidential Candidate, this kind of weak reasoning is almost self-fulfilling. When the GOP runs someone who is Pro-Gay Agenda, Pro-Abortion, what do you expect?

The whole premise that this idea that the country is moving center-left is built on a shaky foundation of half-facts.

Almost half of those eligible to vote didn't vote in 2012 and we know there was massive cheating.

Combine that with a totally lackluster candidate in Mitt Romney who purposefully went out of his way to alienate the base of the GOP, conservatives, in his rush to try and win the moderate vote and your conclusion that the country is moving center-left is worthless and you've become nothing less than a puppet of the GOP-E in their desire to move the party to the left, since the GOP-E never believed either in social conservatism or fiscal conservatism.
96 posted on 01/26/2013 10:14:06 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty; xzins
Does making it easier for the worse evil to win, knowing that Obama or Romney would be the next President, make things right with God? Anyone who believes that Goode or any other third party candidate had a chance can stop reading now.

I'm sure God doesn't look at things in a pragmatic way. He expects me to live by his laws, not by the lessor of two evils rule that you are employing.
97 posted on 01/26/2013 10:16:11 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
I've been hearing a lot of that nonsense lately, and most of it coming either from those who would be considered GOP-E, or supported Romney whole-heartedly, or who are Moderates in the GOP.

Hearing what? That our next President was either going to be Romney or Obama? Fine, post your rebuttal of how this was wrong.

When we have someone whose record as Governor proclaims him to be a Progressive Liberal as our Presidential Candidate, this kind of weak reasoning is almost self-fulfilling. When the GOP runs someone who is Pro-Gay Agenda, Pro-Abortion, what do you expect?

First of all, I agree with your assessment of Romney's voting record. That's why I say, once he was nominated of course, that I was voting for Romney to stop Obama, and a Conservative Congress to stop Romney. Neither happened.

That said, I expect you to face the REALITY that we got stuck with Romney, because that's who the voters nominated. You want to blame the GOPe, but who within the GOPe pointed a gun at anyone's head and forced them to vote for Romney during the primaries?

The whole premise that this idea that the country is moving center-left is built on a shaky foundation of half-facts.

So, why don't you share those half facts and your rebuttal to them? And don't forget to explain why the primary voters nominated Romney if they weren't moving to the, as you said, center-left.

I'm sure God doesn't look at things in a pragmatic way. He expects me to live by his laws, not by the lessor of two evils rule that you are employing.

Since you invoke God, why don't you try doing what He said, which is "Go and make disciples of all nations", and not to go writing some of us off because we may not be "non-Hispanic whites". You want to win again, then do what God said rather than take the easy way out.

98 posted on 01/26/2013 11:47:32 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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