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To: thackney

I saw a show on PBS back in the mid-90’s about natural gas power. There were a lot of problems, the main two being:

1. It would take so long to fill up that it would be more practical to replace your fuel tank at the “gas” station with a full tank, kinda like a lot of places do with propane tanks now.

2. In an accident it would explode. The good news is that id does not radiate a lot of heat. (Most people who died in the Hindenburg disaster died from their fall, not from being burned.) To resolve this one, at the time of the broadcast they had developed a “rock like” substance to put in the tank that would absorb the gas and then release it fairly slowly (preventing explosion), but still more than fast enough to provide the fuel pressure needed.

I don’t know if either of these are resolvable, though, from a marketing perspective.


3 posted on 01/22/2013 5:42:58 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Hindenburg was filled with Hydrogen. It all burned off in about 90 seconds.


8 posted on 01/22/2013 5:55:26 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: cuban leaf

I think the rock like substance is a catalyst...necessary in Hydrogen powered vehicles.

And the Hindenburg also used hydrogen.

Natural gas is different.

Hydrogen is a terrible idea, because pure hydrogen isn’t lying around anywhere. In order to get hydrogen, you have to use a chemical process that is expensive, or use electrolysis...yes you must use alot of electrical energy to harness the energy of hydrogen...at around 50% efficiency. Politicians latched on to this, and we have the railroad in my hometown working on hydrogen locomotives with government money, and a whole bunch of other nonsense is being funded.

Natural gas does just lay around. Just like oil, its just sitting in the ground waiting to be pumped out. Its been proven as a fuel in Western Europe for decades - it can be added to a gasoline car, with a $2,000 kit.

Trucking companies in this country are starting to realize that the maintenance savings alone justify a conversion - it burns so clean, the oil change interval can be tripled, for example...and all sorts of things that go wrong in an engine are ultimately attributed to dirty oil, which is improved by burning natural gas.

In my town (Topeka) a major food maker/distributor is actively looking for a site to build a natural gas refueling station. They have pitted several contractors and engineering firms in a competitive process, to find the most economical site.

This is real private sector money. Its a viable fuel source....until Obama’s EPA shuts down fracking at least.


9 posted on 01/22/2013 6:00:19 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: cuban leaf

1. Existing service station equipment is less than 5 minutes for a 20 gallon equivalent tank.

2. We have had Compressed Natural Gas vehicles on the road for decades. While not great in numbers, they have certainly been involved in accidents. The basic design requirement of needing to withstand the 3,600 psi pressure makes them rather sturdy in the first place. The rock-stuff is not very practical; it greatly increases the storage volume or greatly reduces the already lesser range.

Since Honda has been selling CNG powered Civics since 1998 along with others since then, those issues are fully resolved. The main problem now is the refueling infrastructure. Past sales were limited to places like California and Oklahoma where commercial CNG refueling was available. Now that is growing to more locations so vehicle sales are growing, slowly, but growing.


10 posted on 01/22/2013 6:01:52 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: cuban leaf

The problem of long refill times is sorta solved. There is a pump that can be installed in your home garage. Hook the car up at night and it is full the next morning.

That doesn’t help for long trips, but it is a great solution for those who only use their car for commuting to/from work.

In an accident I don’t know if I’d rather have leaking octane or natural gas.


11 posted on 01/22/2013 6:02:26 AM PST by kidd
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