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To: Ron C.

Most people don’t understand this mess. Anything — ANYTHING — that is installed in an aircraft as equipment, has to be tested and paper-worked to death. It’s weight and effect on the CG envelope has to be discovered and then allowed per FAA regs. All — ALL — ops and maintenance manuals must be approved by the FAA and then supplied to all users. The supplier has to be officially blessed by the FAA and no — NO — non-approved device or part can be used or even mentioned. The part supplier has to undergo the equivalent of a military TS background check. The legal liability assumed by a supplier and builder is open-ended. You cannot add a four-pound GPS to your Cessna’s panel without a complete rework of the airplane’s paperwork. Then, after all that, there is public perception. Boeing is in deep trouble. So is the current battery supplier. Law suits will be ongoing for the next 15 years. The Lockheed L-188 Electra suffered four crashes before it was discovered that engine mounts were failing. It never recovered, although the Navy bought it as the P-3 with wing re-working.


10 posted on 01/18/2013 1:24:19 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: pabianice

While I certainly cannot, nor should not, dispute a single thing you posted, it is amazing after all that GOVERNMENT paperwork, they would allow a battery design, with cells known to overheat in many other applications, on an aircraft.

The only semi-safe design for these batteries are to have every cell contain a thermal trip device such that on cell cannot generate enough heat to cascade other cells into a ignition source with NO internal off switch. Once they start to overheat they take on a life of their own.


14 posted on 01/18/2013 1:31:00 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: pabianice

Interesting comment! One has to wonder how these planes were certified by the FAA. Perhaps they were partially built in Japan, escaping some of the FAA regs?


19 posted on 01/18/2013 1:37:13 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: pabianice
You are correct. In Gen-Av they used to be able to convince the FSDO of a change and if looked good engineering wise, they might let you do it with a "337" without going the one time STC route. Not so much now, unless it is for safety like shoulder harnesses. The only other exemption would be on antiques if you can't find a part you can substitute but that is it. What many here may not realize here if Boeing puts anything else in the battery box, the aircraft is essentially "experimental" all over again.

I am curious is this the Lithium-Ion Phosphate which are more geared towards aviation use (just got on my radar screen recently).

26 posted on 01/18/2013 1:50:52 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: pabianice

The L-188 Electra never recovered because the jet age had started. Many pilots say the Electra was the best plane that they had ever flown in their careers. The tv show Ice Pilots features them still flying for Buffalo Airways in Yellowknife, Canada.


27 posted on 01/18/2013 2:06:57 PM PST by willk
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To: pabianice
I worked on the Boeing 787, software side. The amount of paperwork we had to do was cumbersome to the point of being comical. We had to account for EVERYTHING in testing and certification work ant it amounted to 10x the amount of time it took to actually write the software. Boeing is right, a change like a battery will require months of retesting.

Boeing and the passengers are blessed the incidents weren't more serious.
48 posted on 01/21/2013 7:45:00 AM PST by DarkSavant
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