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To: ansel12

Well, in my experience there are two kinds of libertarians - the big “L” kind and the little “l” kind. Clint Eastwood says he’s a libertarian, but he seems to be the little “l” kind. Mostly the little “l” type just want be left alone. Now, the big “L” type are ideologues, and are mostly useless as they have utopian ideals that are akin to anarchy, and like intellectual mind games. Also, that type just fights with each other about this ‘pure’ system and basically can’t even get themselves together.

As for social conservatism, no matter who gets elected, the bureaucracy we have in place today is made up of socialists and government unions that are by nature leftists. They are deeply entrenched, and they foster leftist ideas. The only way to get rid of them is to have less government. That’s the only way. Then there will be no ‘officials’ to push abortion, the gay agenda, etc. You have to starve the beast that pushes that stuff, and that beast is government. You can elect anyone you want, but unless the bureaucracy dies, the agenda will always be leftist. The leftists LOVE to work in government. Freedom loving people typically work in the private sector.

Anyway, the small “l” libertarians - the ‘leave me alone’ type - are allies in starving the beast, and I feel strongly we have to do that first or we will never get out of this cesspit.


56 posted on 01/17/2013 3:27:20 PM PST by LibertyLA (fighting libtards and other giant government enablers!)
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To: LibertyLA

Extremely well said. I kind of classify myself as a libertarian who is prolife, pro-military and pro-border. If i’m not messing with you, leave me alone. If someone is going to mess with me, at least make it my neighbor so i have a chance to have my voice heard.

The way it is now, all i see is a bureaucracy made up of Republocrats telling me I have to ask Washington how many tp squares I’m allowed to use when wiping my butt. Why do I care if the bureaucrat has an “R” or “D” after his name?


58 posted on 01/17/2013 3:39:38 PM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: LibertyLA

There is only a single type of libertarian, and they are anti-social conservatism.

Social liberalism/libertarianism gave us this big government.

The effect of libertarianism/liberalism and open borders, is larger government.

In a democracy where every vote counts the same, then the more broken people, broken communities, and parasitic industries, and immigration, then more voters are created for more government.

The libertarian/liberal, social gains of the last 50 years demonstrates that.

We know how the vast majority of social conservatives vote, and we know how the vast majority of social liberals vote.


59 posted on 01/17/2013 3:46:04 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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