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Department of Defense? The military? And Department of Agriculture?

What is the definition of "track guns?"

And just what duties, functions and authority are being invented out of thin air to "track guns?"

What makes these six additional agencies qualified to perform . . . whatever is meant by "track guns?

Will these additional unfunded duties impair those six agencies ability to do their real jobs?

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1 posted on 01/17/2013 1:02:42 PM PST by TLI
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Has Congress authorized funding for these new agencies?


2 posted on 01/17/2013 1:08:10 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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Court Bars Navy Vet From Gun Purchase Over 1968 Misdemeanor
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2979145/posts


3 posted on 01/17/2013 1:10:30 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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Hmm....didn’t a number of these agencies order several hundred million rounds of assorted ammunition earlier this year?

Interesting.


4 posted on 01/17/2013 1:12:22 PM PST by Tucsonican
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Veterans Affairs and our military are now law enforcement agencies?


7 posted on 01/17/2013 1:18:09 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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The huge agencies ammo purchases may have been normal and “regularly scheduled,” but what if they weren’t

230:1


8 posted on 01/17/2013 1:19:17 PM PST by petro45acp (More sheepdogs please...)
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9 posted on 01/17/2013 1:20:37 PM PST by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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Veterans departments? Surely they are not considering disarming the people with military experience and training. That would be as stupid as disarming everyone on a military base.


12 posted on 01/17/2013 1:29:33 PM PST by DBrow
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More government bow wows...


13 posted on 01/17/2013 1:33:07 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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Everytime little spoiled 3 year old hussein doesn’t immediately get his way he cries, stomps is feet and threatens to hold his breath. Whaaaaaaa!


16 posted on 01/17/2013 1:46:28 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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The underlying ploy is continuing to find ways to GROW and EXPAND the Government and those EMPLOYED by it and DEPENDENT upon it.<p?

The U.S. Government is a CANCER that is trying to metastasize.


18 posted on 01/17/2013 1:50:07 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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It sounds to me like the dear leader is following his idol Hugo Chavez’ game plan.
I wonder how far we’ll have to descend into a total dictatorship before the “representatives” in DC put a stop to it.
I am very afraid for our country in the next four years.


20 posted on 01/17/2013 1:59:53 PM PST by taillightchaser (I'm going to become a criminal so I can keep my guns.)
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and such other agencies and offices that regularly recover firearms in the course of their criminal investigations as the President may designate."

Fire Departments?

Ambulance services?

City code inspectors?

What is meant by "and such other agencies?"

According to the statement it will allow him control over PD's to animal control.

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21 posted on 01/17/2013 2:02:09 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Looking at this one a bit closer and it is a significant development. Can you add to “Front Page News?” I thought it was in there, apparently not.

T.I.A.

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22 posted on 01/17/2013 2:15:23 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Per Wikipedia, this would appear to be in violation of the Firearm Owners Protection Act ("McClure-Volkmer") of 1986.

Registry prohibition - The Act also forbade the U.S. Government agency from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act (1934) firearms (essentially, pre-1986 machine guns) to their owners.

Nevertheless, the ATF Firearms Tracing System (FTS) contains hundreds of millions of firearm tracing and registration records, and consists of several databases:

1. Multiple Sale Reports - Over 460,000 (2003) Multiple Sales reports (ATF F 3310.4 - a registration record with specific firearms and owner name and address - increasing by about 140,000 per year). Reported as 4.2 million records in 2010.
2. Suspect Guns - All guns suspected of being used for criminal purposes but not recovered by law enforcement. This database includes individuals purchasing large quantities of firearms, and dealers with improper record keeping. May include guns observed by law enforcement in an estate, or at a gun show, or elsewhere. Reported as 34,807 in 2010.
3. Traced Guns - Over 4 million detail records from all traces since inception. This is a registration record which includes the personal information of the first retail purchaser, along with the identity of the selling dealer.
4. Out of Business Records - Data is manually collected from paper Out-of-Business records (or input from computer records) and entered into the trace system by ATF. These are registration records which include name and address, make, model, serial and caliber of the firearm(s), as well as data from the 4473 form - in digital or image format. In March, 2010, ATF reported receiving several hundred million records since 1968.
5. Theft Guns - Firearms reported as stolen to ATF. Contained 330,000 records in 2010. Contains only thefts from licensed dealers and interstate carriers (optional). Does not have an interface to the FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) theft data base, where the majority of stolen, lost and missing firearms are reported.

24 posted on 01/17/2013 2:25:53 PM PST by MacNaughton
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it is unclear what this partial deputizing of other agencies as ‘law enforcement’ means.”

Organs of internal security will naturally FIND what
ever they are charged with, if for nothing else but
their own survival.

It does not bode well for American freedom.


25 posted on 01/17/2013 2:30:39 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Someone said on another post and I am wondering if it’s true,,Obama is really after the veterans. Those are the people who concern him most. Sad. Scary.


27 posted on 01/17/2013 2:43:35 PM PST by austinaero
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They will NOT be ABLE to track half of mine.
None are “registered”.
Only one of the rest was purchased from the manufacture.
(lost in traggic canoe accident)

Others, bought 2nd hand, only have background check paper on them.

If they start invading stores for those records, we’ll have a long warning period.


29 posted on 01/17/2013 3:06:35 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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“offices that regularly recover firearms in the course of their criminal investigations as the President may designate.”

as the President may designate? Huh?


31 posted on 01/17/2013 3:37:10 PM PST by SisterK (not my president)
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Okay boys and girls, this is as close to every totalitarian proclamation throughout history that I've ever read about. I am now in fear for my life and my family. This is the worst of Obambi's EO's. The Treasury? The Interior? The Agriculture? The Energy? And Veteran's Affairs Departments? This outright dictatorship!

This is a big mistake. I would say reasons why, but don't want to be identified further.

36 posted on 01/17/2013 10:21:52 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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Obama is going to squeeze the gun industry, markets and ownership so tight, we'll end up like Canada where the requirements for gun ownership are so convoluted and complex that people just throw their hands up and say "screw it, too much trouble to buy one."

Of course, Canada has nowhere near 400M guns already in circulation. I understand it's been tough to buy a gun up there for the last 50 years....anyway, their forms make it look worse than a passport application, plus a mental exam/interview. Sheesh, just wait, it's gonna get bad.

38 posted on 01/18/2013 3:57:26 AM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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