Skip to comments.Sandy Hook and Christopher Rodia – Most ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ Can’t Think
Posted on 01/16/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by Uncle Chip
Apparently many alternative news pundits and Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists are still fixated on the idea that a man named Christopher Rodia was the REAL owner of the black Honda Civic that has been identified as the car of Adam Lanzas mother and which was found outside the Sandy Hook elementary school.
The basis for this erroneous belief is police scanner audio that was picked up from the morning of Dec. 14th and details Connecticut State Police response to the massacre.
I obtained the original audio files from Radioreference.com. I had to pay a small sum for the full files. I have listened to them, and it is pretty clear that it is rather unlikely that the aforementioned Christopher Rodia had anything to do with the Sandy Hook massacre, even if his name and DOB is mentioned in the audio. This doesnt seem to dissuade the conspiracy nuts though. In fact, it just makes them even nuttier.
What so many of these nutty people have apparently missed is the fact that the audio files clearly contain police communications about MORE than just the Sandy Hook event.
In the audio streams there are several communications from Connecticut State police who are clearly not involved in the response to Sandy Hook and are just out there doing their normal jobs of stopping people for no reason and catching speeding drivers.
The Connecticut State police scanner audio from the morning of Dec. 14th 2012, as provided by Radioreference.com, begins at 9.34am and lasts for one hour until 10.34am i.e. it begins at about the time Lanza is said to have entered the school and lasts for one hour.
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This means no more 2nd ammendment, right?
All I can say is that the media coverage was sloppy and that both the political response and the overall media campaign have been entirely agenda driven. The story being told is the story that the Establishment wants to be told. That doesn’t mean it’s not true. And it doesn’t mean that there is a conspiracy. But it means that this is a heavily filtered event, and there is no way to be sure about any of it.
And that is not an accident.
There is confusion and misinformation deliberately.
“But it means that this is a heavily filtered event, and there is no way to be sure about any of it.”
I don’t think anyone argues that the left and the media aren’t trying to use this event to push their agenda, but the conspiracy theories are simply ludicrous. Also, for every point they make, I can draw an exact parallel to some “inconsistencies” in the early Columbine coverage. Yet we do know the details about Columbine now, and none of the “unanswered questions” about that event have held up over the course of time.
LOL! You must be a certifiable loon.
The girls’ legs are securely attached to their torsos in the usual locations, and can be seen in the photo if you only look. The youngest, who is making the sign of the “hungry goat” is wearing white tights, and is sitting astride her daddy’s left leg. The other, “sidesaddle” on her daddy’s right leg, is wearing a red satanic jumper and making the sign of the “impatient unicorn”.
Or, maybe this is just satire without the usual warning.
I don't really find Sandy Hook interesting. Small number of dead children. Thousands more dead children every day through abortion -- that is much more significant. Sandy Hook serves to help the gun grabbers, and I would prefer that Sandy Hook either not be talked about, or else be ridiculed as a complete media farce.
I hope it is. I have a sneaking suspicion it isn't.
I just don't see that. Let's talk about her knees -- are they together? Are they on the left side of her daddy's right leg, or are they on the right side of her daddy's right leg. I just don't see how her legs are in either location.
Timeline constructed using unedited recording of Newtown Police/Fire Department and Connecticut State Police Radio Traffic (source: www.Radioman911.com)
9:35:53 a.m. - Dispatch: Sandy Hook School, Callers indicated she thinks someone is shooting in the building.
9:36:15: The individual I have on the phone is continuing to hear what he believes to be gun shots.
9:38:10: The shooting appears to have stopped. The school is in lock down.
9:38:50: Well stage up the SWAT and go from there.
9:39:05: Reports that teachers saw two shadows running, past the building, past the gym.
9:39:20: Yeah, we got em. Their coming at me.
9:40 a.m. Youll need two ambulances.
9:40:30: Shooters apparently still shooting in office area. Dickerson Drive.
9:40:55: Troop 8 personnel, take Exit 10, left on 34, turn on Riverside Drive. Make sure you have your vests on.
9;43:45: We have one female in Room 1 who has gunshot wound to the foot.
9:46:20: Weve got an injured person in Room 9 with numerous gunshot wounds.
9:49:05: Negative on description. Shots were fired about three minutes ago.
9:53:25: Newtowns reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.
9:55:25: Be advised, we have multiple weapons. One rifle and a shotgun
9:57:25: Any plain clothes responding, make sure you have your raid gear on, your raid gear on.
10:00:15: Ask the custodian, get a team up on the roof and clear the roof.
10:00:40: We need (inaudible) up here right away. Call Danbury of you have to.
10:03: What is the number of ambulances you will require? They dont know, theyre not giving us a number.
10:01:40: You might want to see if surrounding downs can send EMS personnel. Were running out pretty quick.
10:04: We have staging area for the student, the personnel and the parents. Outside by the street.
10:12:45: Set up a triage area up by the fire house.
10:28: Roger, Closet in the kitchen, you have some victims. Let us know, well call the number so you know theyre coming.
There is not enough room in that picture for the girl’s legs straddling the father’s leg. Look closely at the spacing between mother and one of the father’s leg.
No, it isn’t satire. There is no room for that girl’s leg.
Some people rationalize it by saying it is common to photoshop people into portrait photos for a number of reasons.
Okay, so maybe that is what happened. I don’t know.
But I do know I don’t see enough room for her legs.
The legs are in white tights, one on each side of the parent’s leg.
“Where are the pictures of the mass evacuations?”
What mass evacuations? The kids were taken out in groups, and there are plenty of pictures and even video of that.
“Also, where are this girl’s legs??”
Below her hips.
“And there are several pictures with those girls making devil signs.”
Which you think means what exactly? That cute blonde kids were leading a coven of Satan worshipers in Sandy Hook? Seriously, I’ve seen exactly one photo of one girl making something that might be construed as a “devil sign”. It could also be construed as a “rock on” sign, a “hang loose” sign, a “Longhorns” sign, or “I love you” in American Sign Language, or the random gesture of a child caught on film, none of which I would take as evidence of much of anything.
OK you meant the little girl to the left of the one in white tights?
Which little girl does that match up to?
The proportions are weird for that girl. Assume she is sidesaddle. Where are the knees, the foot, the change in the formation of the dress.
Perhaps it is an optical illusion. But it certainly is NOT certifiably loony to see that there looks to be something off with that picture.
I will absolutely maintain that something is very off about Sandy Hook given Obama’s desire to ban guns.
Again, I don’t necessarily think it didn’t happen. I do think something is off about what we are being told .
600 students. You don’t see the evacuation. There should have been pandemonium.
You don’t even see the pandemonium from any helicopter shot.
You don’t see Lanza with any guns. Why not? It sure would help Obama’s cause to see a Columbine type picture.
“But she appeared with Obama when he visited the town after the shooting.”
No she didn’t. Her sisters did, and one of them was wearing her dress, but that does not make her transform magically into her sister.
“I would prefer that Sandy Hook either not be talked about, or else be ridiculed as a complete media farce.”
Aha! Thank you for that statement, because I do believe that is the crux of what is leading so many people to these conspiracy speculations, but they do not have the honesty to admit it. The problem is, we cannot just “wish it away”. We have to deal with the reality that this event happened, and it will be beaten to death in the media in pursuit of gun control. We had better get used to that reality and figure out how to defeat gun control in spite of those facts, rather than retreat into conspiracy speculations that will do absolutely nothing to deter the left’s agenda.
And the source of that confusion and misinformation was the Federales -- not the locals. The Federales werepropagating the 4 handgun only story, the they buzzed him in story, the he was the son of a kindergartenteacher story, the he had an altercation in the school story, the he killed his father story, ..... Listen to Pete Williams admit on the air. Federal officials were his source -- not the local officials who would know.
The locals were continually all day long saying that the lies and misinformation were not true. And yet all these conspiracy/hoax theorists attack the local police and citizens as if they were/are the ones who were/are lying.
It got so bad that they had the ME interview to set the facts straight and yet conspiracy theorists still wanted to believe the lies.
Wake up -- boneheads.
Please post the pictures of 600 students being evacuated and the videos. Also, how did all of these kids fit into the staging area? Got any photos of that?
Where are the pictures of the 600 kids? How about even 1/2 of that?
And why do we not see a picture of Lanza holding the AR-15.
Maybe because he didn’t use one?
When did you see that though? The Columbine surveillance videos were not released to the public until several years after the shooting, you know, after the investigation was over.
Who pushed that Lanza used an AR-15 which has caused all the uproar about assault weaspons?
The little girl that is standing next to Obama in that media picture. Did she just grow legs for that picture??? Get real.
First of all, as I said before, there were no mass evacuations, the children were taken out in groups. So, the only picture of 600 kids being evacuated is in your imagination, where you have dreamed up that scenario. As for the real evacuation, I direct you to this post in another thread, where FReeper CharlesWayneCT has helpfully provided the photos for you:
Probably the police officer who found the AR-15 near Lanza’s dead body? Just guessing.
It's hard to sweep all of that under the rug. But conspiracy idiots are doing their best along with willful idiots here.
I don’t think that is right. I think footage was quickly released to the media but I could be wrong.
In doing a search to try to find out so far all I can come up with is Alex Jones and I don’t trust that.
It’s amazing how many Freepers are jumping on the “fire doesn’t melt steel” argument for Sandy Hook. This event has spawned a whole new Truther industry.
They're detachable legs that they take off just for family pictures but then put back on again for pictures like those with Obama.
Sorry, it is 456 kids. So where are the pictures of 456 kids being evacuated in a pandemonium as shots are being fired. The thread you linked only shows a few kids.
Surely there is helicopter footage.
Where is it?
Assume that Sandy Hook took place.
Then the question becomes why is so much info being kept from the public?
Don’t be ridiculous. Obama’s grandfather had an arm and a hand but that didn’t keep people from analyzing a photo that showed a physical impossibility... that was clearly photoshopped.
The media and all the people and parents were kept down at the firehouse. You can see that on the videos and the kids wandering down the hill.
Here is an interview from a mother who witnessed it — but of course the Sandy Hook Truthers have to mock her for what she saw and heard:
Perhaps you should view it like Fast and Furious or Benghazi.
It’s not a question of whether a man was shot or people were killed.
It is a question of the conspiracy to hide pertinent information.
In all cases, no matter what happens, people need to be watching what the government is trying to pull off.
Instead of going around calling people who nuts when they question the media spin - perhaps you should look at the how and why of the spin.
I never believed that Operation Mockingbird ended. Well - it may have officially - but that’s it.
The media has always been a tool for disinformation.
(Newtown was a small community, we lived in a small community for 16 years, no one in our town could blow their nose without the news being all over town in 15 minutes.)
It is not that I would put it past obama to kill kids or put up a sham mass murder, but in a small town he couldn't get away with very much.
obama WILL use this tragic event for his own evil purposes there is no doubt in my mind about that!
And by whom??? by the parents??? Why would they need to photoshop a family picture that they probably paid a professional photographer for.
If it was photoshopped, then it was done by a Sandy Hook Truther trying to instigate trouble.
So then what is your point???
“The media and all the people and parents were kept down at the firehouse. You can see that on the videos and the kids wandering down the hill.”
Show me the pictures or the helicopter footage of 456 kids, teachers , parents of the 456 kids, and media at the firehouse as pandemonium broke out over a shooting at the school.
100 bullet shells? You've been listening to some of the MSM doofuses who know nothing about firearms.
I've heard rumors that .223 cases were found, haven't seen any evidence or really heard any credible statements.
Also, “blown apart”. Seriously? What, the shooter musta been using some of those “dum-dum” bullets that the MSM was so enamored of years ago. Or maybe it was some of those “cop killer bullets” I've heard so much about. Or maybe it was some of those secret CIA exploding bullets.
So, as if this tragedy wasn't horrible enough let's follow along with the media narrative and make it even more dramatic. And demonize a .22 calibre varmint round as “blowing apart” a human being. Thanks alot. The media and the President needs all the help they can get.
And the media in this case are the You Tuber Trufers.
From what I remember, the videos weren’t available until years later, after people did FOIA requests for them. All I remember being released at the time of the shooting were still photos of the gunmen that were taken before the shooting.
It's just truly sick, and there seems to be a lot of here lately. There is no place in the conservative movement for wackadoodle conspiracy theorists. They make the entire movement look ridiculous. Each of us has to act a bit like Buckley and make a point of calling out the loons and making sure they don't poison the conservative message.
Conservatives have had a rough go of it these last couple presidential cycles and I realize that causes despair and some people will look to conspiracies for answers, but we don't have time for that nonsense. Alex Jones nutters are not welcome in the conservative movement. Period. It is up to serious conservatives to call this stuff out and drive the conspiracy theorists back to InfoWars, PrisonPlanet or whatever other crazy forums they populate.
Do you believe that woman in that interview???
Apparently, professional photographers photoshop many picture due to kids not sitting still, someone is missing from the photo (Pelosi did it and caused a ruckus), etc.
As I said, maybe the photographer photoshopped that picture.
The picture is not photoshopped by a truther.
The picture is from Facebook. Look at the URL of that photo.
But it shows a point.
Why not look at it objectively instead of just claiming someone did it to stir up trouble.
Why not be impartial when looking at facts.
There are people on this site that can’t conceive that the CIA could be involved in Fast and Furious. I can’t even count how many people have said I am loony for suggesting it...despite clear facts.
This , I know, - our government is capable of things that would make your head spin.
Just about anything.
Let's try this one more time. There was no mass evacuation. So you will not find pictures of 600, or 456 kids being evacuated in a pandemonium as shots are being fired, because that is not what happened. The school was on lock down and the children were evacuated piecemeal in small groups.
You have to remember that this is a post-Columbine world, and plans are in place at every school in the country to deal with just such a scenario. So, you shouldn't expect to see a chaotic Columbine-style evacuation, when every school has drills to prevent such chaotic evacuations from happening if a shooting occurs.
"Surely there is helicopter footage."
The helicopters didn't arrive at the scene that quickly, so why would you think that? The police are already taping off the crime scene in the footage that I saw, so I would think that the children were already evacuated by that time.
"Then the question becomes why is so much info being kept from the public?"
No, that only becomes the question if you don't understand that investigations usually have to conclude before the results of investigations are released to the public.
What’s this I hear? Is it the sweet, sweet clarion call of sanity?
Thank you, Longbow1969....I sincerely mean that. I detest conspiracy theorists, truthers, Alex Jones wackadoodles, the whole “we didn’t land on the moon” caravan of crazies and all the rest. They have no place....NO PLACE....in conservatism.
LOL. You do know, don’t you, that posts like yours will be quoted on lib threads to prove just how insane conservatives are? Because low info Obama voters lack logic and often a funny bone.
I have noticed that real conspiracy theorists are almost always liberals. The center of it is that they can’t reason or think logically, so the moronic makes sense to them. The Dem party knows this, and holds us up to scorn while simultaneously feeding their crazies idiocies as much under the radar as possible. It’s all topsy turvy.
They treasure their crazies. It’s nuts like Rosanne Barr and Cindy Sheehan that put them in power.
223s are intended to do maximum damage to the tissue and not just pass through the victim. You forgot that.
Interesting she has a head as big as the “Parents” while the other two’s are in normal proportions???
Even “nuttier” than Joe Quinn, I saw a lady on youtube at facebook making a search on Public Records for Adam Lanza. She could NOT find him in CT. She only found the “father” the “mother” and so called “brother” Ryan. She then did a relationship search for all three of them individually and NO Adam Lanza came up, hmmm!!!