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To: MinorityRepublican

These stats are a lie (30K gun deaths). According to the FBI, for 2011, there were between 12K and 13K gun deaths.


8 posted on 01/09/2013 1:42:24 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: DallasDeb
These stats are a lie (30K gun deaths). According to the FBI, for 2011, there were between 12K and 13K gun deaths.

Correct. Many libs are now out lying by stating it's 40K to match auto crash deaths.

11 posted on 01/09/2013 1:46:43 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: DallasDeb

Difference between criminal death and overall death. In the last year data is available:

We have 11,493 firearm homicides, about 3.7 per 100,000.

Our total homicide rate is 16,799 (or 5.5 per 100,000).

Homicide though is the 15th-ranked reason for death in our country.

I would note that other countries have a much lower firearm homicide rate, but not so much lower total homicide rate, because they have more homicides by other means.

Where our numbers get driven up are in suicide rates.
We had 18,735 firearm suicides, a rate of 6.1 per 100,000.

We had 36,909 total suicides, so we are quite high on the suicide rankings, and only about half of suicides are by gun.

On the other hand, there are a lot more suicide attempts; and in the one area where you can make an argument against a gun, it turns out that gun suicides are the most successful. Given the recidivism rate on suicide attempts is relatively low (when they are detected, because we get people help), it is clear that, if you could successfully identify WHO would commit suicide, and prevent THEM from having a gun, you could reduce the suicide rate.

(The argument being that while the same number of people might attempt suicide, since they would fail more, and then get help, fewer people would end up dead).


37 posted on 01/09/2013 2:30:14 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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“According to the FBI, for 2011, there were between 12K and 13K gun deaths.”

I do not believe we have the 2011 data yet. For 2010 there were 8,775 homicides committed with firearms.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

There were about 19,000 suicides committed with firearms. Many European nations have higher combined suicide and homicide rates than we do.

The U.S. combined suicide/homicide rate is 16.2

Finland is 18.8

Sweden is 17.2

Belgium about 20

France about 16.2

Luxembourg 16.8

Russia 42

Japan 24.5


57 posted on 01/09/2013 3:23:29 PM PST by marktwain
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To: DallasDeb
These stats are a lie (30K gun deaths). According to the FBI, for 2011, there were between 12K and 13K gun deaths.

Thank you for pointing that out. It bears repeating.

Of course, the 30,000 number is from the Brady campaign, so it is surprising they did not round it off to the ever ubiquitous number of "100,000" Dems use for everything else.

85 posted on 01/10/2013 6:40:31 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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