This Is How a Secret Gun Provision Made its Way Into Obamacare Legislation

The Blaze ^ | 1/9/13 | Billy Hallowell

[Nachum]

There’s a widely-unknown provision in the Affordable Care Act (also known as Obamacare) — legislative wording that is capturing attention in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. Pushed by the National Rifle Association (NRA), a newly-noticed regulation that was placed deep within the bill back in 2010, among other things, bans doctors from documenting patients’ answers to questions that focus upon guns.

The Washington Post first reported on Dec. 30 about the presence of this controversial wording. Under a section with the headline “Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights,” the NRA-advocated wording is nestled deep within the law. The Post called the inclusion, “a largely overlooked but significant challenge to a movement in American medicine to treat firearms as a matter of public health.”

As the outlet also noted, it was in the final stretch of the debate over Obama’s health care legislation that the NRA successfully pushed to insert this language. Below, see the portions of the Affordable Care Act that include mentions of firearms and the parameters through which doctors must operate in questioning patients (read the entire health care bill here):

[Nachum]

Transparently opaque

[Nachum]

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[Homer1]

you have to pass it to find out what’s in it

[pabianice]

Reid was asked yesterday about his new stance on wanting to ban guns, esp. after the NRA supported his reelection in 2010. According to Reid, “his position has ‘evolved.’”

[rarestia]

This is full-on BS! The “NRA provisions” were pushed to prevent your GP from asking if you have guns in the house during a physical or an annual appointment.

The field of psychology and psychiatry have an entirely different manual of rules by which they abide, and if any of their patients for even a moment rationalize or discuss harming themselves or any one else, even if they aren’t gun owners, those clinicians are required by law to report it.

The only thing prevented in the “NRA provisions” of the ACA is backdoor registration via mandatory concessions of ownership to your doctor, who now has to report that and everything else about you to the federal government.

The biggest fear I have about Obamacare is that a BUREAUCRAT, not a doctor, will be making decisions about my healthcare.

I say this with all sincerity and meaning: God damn Barack Hussein Obama and Nancy Pelosi.

[mbarker12474]

Note that the NRA is wise enough to recognize that public “healthcare” incorporates political policy regarding firearms.

The is of course one of the fundamental fears of public healthcare. Namely, that public healthcare encompasses and challenges EVERYTHING about life and behavior and liberty, from guns to butter.

[DBrow]

‘‘SEC. 2716. PROHIBITION ON DISCRIMINATION IN FAVOR OF HIGHLY
COMPENSATED INDIVIDUALS.
‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—A group health plan (other than a self-
insured plan) shall satisfy the requirements of section 105(h)(2)
of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to prohibition on
discrimination in favor of highly compensated individuals).
‘‘(b) RULES AND DEFINITIONS.—For purposes of this section—
‘‘(1) CERTAIN RULES TO APPLY.—Rules similar to the rules
contained in paragraphs (3), (4), and (8) of section 105(h) of
such Code shall apply.
‘‘(2) HIGHLY COMPENSATED INDIVIDUAL.—The term ‘highly
compensated individual’ has the meaning given such term by
section 105(h)(5) of such Code.’’.
(e) Section 2717 of the Public Health Service Act, as added
by section 1001(5) of this Act, is amended—
(1) by redesignating subsections (c) and (d) as subsections
(d) and (e), respectively; and
(2) by inserting after subsection (b), the following:
‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness
and health promotion activity implemented under subsection
(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any
information relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed
firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property
of an individual; or

‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition by an individual.
‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of
the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made
by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used
to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of
a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR
ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—A premium rate may not
be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied,
and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in
a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under
any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance
with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an
amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance
upon—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR
INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any
information under any data collection activity authorized under
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition.’’.

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A key phrase is “legally owned”.

[a fool in paradise]

“Evolved” is legislative talk means “F*** you, I won, I'll do whatever the F*** I want now, HA HA CHUMPS!”

As if anyone EVER believed the lies of a Socialist. Stalinists lie without any moral quandary or concern. No regret. No shame. Whatever it takes to get it done.

[Little Bill]

I want to do a rant on PTSD, I got out of VN in 1968 as did most of my friends and cousins about 50 of us. Alot of us were two termers or more, every action from 1965 to 1968.

Except for the first year of readaption, wild and crazey times, all marrried and are old fat and lazy, and dote on their Grandkids.

I did a psyc course when I was in College where I had to do Veterans Out Reach, most of the peoples were REMPHs and wannabes.

[Sopater]

...the NRA supported his reelection in 2010.

Is the NRA really that stupid?

[DBrow]

“...the NRA supported his reelection in 2010.

Is the NRA really that stupid?”

Reid took credit for using fed funding to build a big, really big, “shooting center” somewhere, Nevada?

NRA paid him back.

[Travis McGee]

"Don't genocide me, bro."

[Dahoser]

Yes, which is why my wife and I dropped our memberships.

[EdReform]

Bump & bookmark

[Solson]

Did you go to GOA or another organization or just drop it altogether?

[Katechon]

[Sopater]

Yes, which is why my wife and I dropped our memberships.

Never been a member, and now expect I never will be.

[Excellence]

So if guns are made “illegal,” the provision is out the door.

[little jeremiah]

I read the whole article and it seems sort of okay, if anything in the steaming pile of a monstrosity of the 0bastardcare bill can been anything other than a steaming pile of monstrosity.

So the docs can ask questions but they’re not “supposed” to keep records for the goverment about your answers. Big whoop.

BTW I saw a comment elsewhere from someone who talked to three doctors who were well known to the poster, they are being fired (what kind of health thingie they are hired by I don’t know). One an eye doc, one a suregon, one an anasthesiologist. The org is hiring foreign docs, cheaper. Older nurses, same thing.

In the UK many of the docs/nurses are Pakistanis, Jamaicans and so on. I suppose the same thing will happen here.

[41Thunder]

So that explains why my doctor didn’t bring it up at my last physical. A year ago he asked me if I had any guns in the house and I said nope, it’s hanging on the rack behind you. You should have seen the look on his face ... Priceless!