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To: thackney; Eric in the Ozarks; woodbutcher1963
The participants in this move are well heeled and very efficient at what they do.

This represents a single line haul on a very direct 286,000 lb. capacity route - no interchanges, no classification yards. It mimics ethanol moves which have been on-going for several years.

The Albany terminal is immediately adjacent to the Canadian Pacific Kenwood Yard; track and storage capacity are virtually unlimited and the unloading facilities are in place.

You could expect the dedication of 29,000 gallon cars to this move, so allowing for a 14 day turn would require, what, maybe 1,000 cars?

46 posted on 01/10/2013 9:30:06 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
You could expect the dedication of 29,000 gallon cars to this move, so allowing for a 14 day turn would require, what, maybe 1,000 cars?

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Just a bit over 1,000 cars. I don't know what they would allow contingency, maintenance, etc. Probably not much, 2~4%???

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I don't claim any knowledge on the rail shipping times. I have no experience to judge that. I was commenting on what the suggested shipping times equated to implementation.

Others have mentioned limitations of unloading capabilities. I have not done rail but I have done tanker truck operations. The equipment, load arms, metering, etc that was typically used maxed out at ~750 gpm with nearly half that being normal.

If a 29,000 Gal tank is unloaded at 600 gpm, it takes 50~55 minutes per tank to connect, unload and disconnect. Multiple unloading stations are typical in a rail operation, I've seen 5~6 before at refineries. It would take about 3 stations at an hour average to empty 50,000 bpd. So even if the facilities don't exist today (with capacity to handle this new traffic) it is not a big project to add that capability.

I don't mean to suggest this is a bad idea. It is not. It is delivering domestic crude to a crowded area that would be difficult to construct new pipelines. It isn't as cheap or a simple as a “typical” pipeline. But building a new pipeline from Illinois (where several pipelines bring oil) to Linden, NJ is not typical, easy or cheap.

47 posted on 01/10/2013 10:19:36 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Mr. Lucky

I wish them well but I think there is no way 10 days’ worth of cars will cover this move. 3,000 cars at min...


51 posted on 01/10/2013 12:22:01 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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