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Obama: religious freedom provisions in defense bill ‘unnecessary and ill-advised’
LIFE Site News ^ | January 4, 2013 | JOHN JALSEVAC

Posted on 01/05/2013 2:49:15 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 01/05/2013 2:49:28 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

For any of you with children or grandchildren serving in the military.


2 posted on 01/05/2013 2:51:10 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer

The Post points out 2 lies of Obama’s, and we can only wait for the Executive Order to be signed forcing Chaplains to marry gays or be tossed out. It is coming as sure as the sun rises in the East.

If it were unnecessary and ill advised, why did Obama even mention it.No It’s coming, probably before the year is out.


3 posted on 01/05/2013 2:59:42 PM PST by Venturer
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To: NYer

Barry knows best, he’s the bestest dictator, ever!!!


4 posted on 01/05/2013 3:04:14 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: NYer

Jeez, does he EVER tell the truth???


5 posted on 01/05/2013 3:05:19 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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“I taught the Constitution for 10 years. I believe in the Constitution and I will obey the Constitution of the United States – we’re not going to use signing statements as a way of doing an end-run around Congress.”

What really meant to say was:

"I taught the g.d. constitution for 10 years. The constitution should be smashed in the most complete way possible, as soon as possible. When we get into power we will do every end-run around congress we can get away with."

6 posted on 01/05/2013 3:11:26 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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Having a pResident that is a Marxist, Mooslim, Kenyan, steaming pantload is 'unnecessary and ill-advised.
7 posted on 01/05/2013 3:13:10 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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Unnecessary and ill-advised? Unnecessary I could see (if it were true), but ill-advised? ILL-ADVISED to include a provision that chaplains can’t be forced to act against their conscience and religious freedom?

As for unnecessary - we only need to look to other recent Obama-approved laws, such as the one Hobby Lobby is fighting, to see that THAT isn’t true.


8 posted on 01/05/2013 3:13:32 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: originalbuckeye
"Jeez, does he EVER tell the truth???"

In five days we will fundamentally change the way Washington does things

9 posted on 01/05/2013 3:15:03 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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Can’t this be applied if they try to force chaplains?

“What is CONSCIENTIOUS SCRUPLE?”

A conscientious scruple against taking an oath, serving as a juror in a capital case, doing military duty, or the like, is au objection or repugnance growing out of the fact that the person believes the thing demanded of him to be morally wrong, his conscience being the sole guide to his decision; it is thus distinguished from an “objection on principle,” which is dictated by the reason and judgment, rather than the moral sense, aud may relate only to the propriety or expediency of the thing in question. People v. Stewart, 7 Cal. 143

http://thelawdictionary.org/conscientious-scruple/


10 posted on 01/05/2013 3:30:50 PM PST by 444Flyer (Genesis 12:3)
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To: Slyfox

If this pretender “taught the Constitution for 10 years” why have none of his students come forward? Fraud to the bone. What an oaf.


11 posted on 01/05/2013 3:32:01 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: 444Flyer

“What is CONSCIENCE?”

The moral sense; the faculty of judging the moral qualities of actions, or of discriminating between right and wrong; particularly applied to one’s perception and judgment of the moral qualities of his own conduct, but in a wider sense, de CONSCIENCE 248 CONSENSUS TOLLIT ERROREM noting a similar application of the standards of morality to the acts of others. In law, especially the moral rule which retinites probity, justice, and honest dealing between man and man, as when we say that a bargain is “against conscience” or “unconscionable,” or that the price paid for property at a forced sale was so inadequate as to “shock the conscience.” This is also the meaning of the term as applied to the jurisdiction and principles of decision of courts of chancery, as in saving that such a court is a “court of conscience,” that it proceeds “according to conscience,” or that it has cognizance of “matters of conscience.” See 3 Bl. Comm. 47-56: People v. Stewart, 7 Cal. 143; Miller v. Miller, 187 Pa. 572, 41 Atl. 277

http://thelawdictionary.org/conscience/


12 posted on 01/05/2013 3:32:32 PM PST by 444Flyer (Genesis 12:3)
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To: Slyfox
... When we get into power we will do every end-run around congress we can get away with."

At least he didn't lie :)

13 posted on 01/05/2013 3:33:05 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: ogen hal

If you tell a lie often enough...


14 posted on 01/05/2013 3:36:30 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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I’m a retired Army Chaplain. Already anecdoatal evidence is coming forward that Chaplains are not being protected.


15 posted on 01/05/2013 3:44:52 PM PST by AZhardliner
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"These are not the men of faith you should be listening to..."

16 posted on 01/05/2013 3:46:05 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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and we can only wait for the Executive Order to...

Looks to me like Signing Statements, as a guide to executive agencies in a wink-wink-nudge-nudge manner, acts just like an EO.

“My administration remains fully committed to continuing the successful implementation of the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and to protecting the rights of gay and lesbian service members; Section 533 will not alter that,”

This Signing Statement, given the above SS wording, is merely advance notice of following the DADT repeal rather than this law - he is deeming Section 533 unconstitutional, null and void.

Basically, he is applying the notion of line-item-veto, even though that has already been determined time and time again unconstitutional.

Once again, Ø shreds the Constitution. As he does every chance he gets.

17 posted on 01/05/2013 3:47:48 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: a fool in paradise

one wonders if there will be a second Obama inauguration


18 posted on 01/05/2013 3:51:20 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: originalbuckeye

“Jeez, does he EVER tell the truth???”

The only statement Obama ever made that was the truth ran chills through my bones. I think I like him better as a liar.

Remember when he said “ We are five days away from fundamentally-transforming America”?


19 posted on 01/05/2013 3:52:52 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The only thing to stop a bad person with a gun, is a good person with a gun.)
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To: NYer

I think what he meant to say is
It’s necessary and prudent,
due to the violent behavior of my administration against religion.

At least that’s what I heard.


20 posted on 01/05/2013 4:02:42 PM PST by Morris70
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