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To: Bryanw92
This will be Kosovo, with neighbor killing neighbor, and a trip to the store will be an expedition into a kill zone and back. This will make your typical frame home with drywall into a death trap until you line the inside with sandbags.

I doubt that if Texas secedes there will be mini kosovos in Austin and San Antonio. Just don't see it. I do see the potential mass migration of welfare types to places North and east.

THere will be secessions WITHOUT Civil War. That is my prediction.

61 posted on 09/16/2013 5:40:56 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Any seceding states must make it abundantly clear and set in stone that the power of the state shall NOT be used for charity, or, more to the point, carrying dead weight.
This is absolutely necessary in order to keep the new free states from wandering down the path to where we are now.


64 posted on 09/16/2013 6:26:21 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: central_va

>>I doubt that if Texas secedes there will be mini kosovos in Austin and San Antonio. Just don’t see it. I do see the potential mass migration of welfare types to places North and east.

>>THere will be secessions WITHOUT Civil War. That is my prediction.

I wasn’t talking about Texas. I was talking about the dysfunctional United States of America as a whole, a nation where our primary business is now scamming people out of money. Our government defines prosperity as “giving away borrowed and conjured dollars to people who don’t work”. If anything happens to disrupt the flow of money to the useless eaters, they will do something stupid and they will find out what 15% vs 70% looks like in a war. Then, the feds will step in to crush us all under the boot in the name of “restoring order”.

But, there won’t be secessions. The federal empire won’t permit it. They can’t afford to lose productive states because the northeast and left coast welfare states cannot survive without the flyover states. Even if an insignificant state tried it, they’d stop it dead in its tracks because, if they let one go, the next might be Texas or Alaska.


66 posted on 09/16/2013 9:27:12 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: central_va; Bryanw92; rockrr; Sherman Logan; donmeaker
contral_va: "THere will be secessions WITHOUT Civil War. That is my prediction. "

Off the top of my head I can think of five different methods for states to secede constitutionally, lawfully and peacefully.
No need for violence, but huge needs for patience and unending perseverance:

  1. Representatives from states wishing to secede can routinely submit bills in Congress authorizing their secession.
    After some reasonable period of non-action by Congress, they can announce they will refuse to vote for any future bills until theirs are acted on.

  2. Attorney Generals from states wishing to secede can bring suits to the Supreme Court charging Federal breach of contract of the US Constitution, and requesting secession as the appropriate remedy.

  3. States themselves can call for a Constitutional Convention to write amendments authorizing their secession.

  4. Candidates for President and other high offices can announce they are running to authorize lawful secession.
    If successful, they can sign any such bills passed by Congress.

  5. Voters of states wishing to secede can pass referendums authorizing their state governments to seek progressive states of secession (phase 1, phase 2, etc.) leading to complete and final secession by a certain date, say ten or twenty years in the future.

A sixth method would include all of the above, and would have the advantage of keeping the issue alive on many different fronts at the same time.

All of these methods would require firm commitments and perseverance from overwhelming majorities of state voters and their state government officials, for the years and years of time it would take to peacefully, lawfully secede.

But in an age when half of voters receive government help of some form, the likelihood of success for these efforts seems, well, remote.
On the other hand, even the attempt could possibly be politically therapeutic, reminding Big Government that it exists only through the consent of its states' voters.

And in the mean time, while the USA consumes itself politically debating secession, we must be prepared for our foreign enemies to grow bolder, our military to grow weaker, the world to grow more dangerous, our economies to decline and chaos to break out unpredictably, anywhere.

But, all that considered, sure it could be done...

78 posted on 09/16/2013 1:17:46 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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