[HogsBreath]

I am really surprised to see a mainstream news source actually use the words 'Civil War'.

[Nowhere Man]

Bookmark Bump and possible CWII ping.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

“When big government wins, we all lose...”

[Longbow1969]

Yeah, I was surprised to see that as well.

It’s a very good article too.

[demshateGod]

At the time Mr Etch-a-sketch made the 47% comment I was amung that number. I didn’t want to be. I think there are a lot of people who realize who’s taking their prosperity away. I think even some OWS people could make allies once they realize who enables the ultra-rich.

[Bryanw92]

One paragraph sums up the failure of the welfare state:

Far from adding to people’s standard of living, government is the number one cause of poverty in this country. It forces those who depend on its largesse to live hand to mouth, with no time or money to plan for the future. They become unable to fend for themselves-—and increasingly resentful of those who can.

If the Civil War happens, I hope people realize just how bad it is going to be. This won’t be some regional conflict like the Union vs the Confederacy where there is a “home front” (at least until the war criminal Sherman arrived) to safely leave the women and children.

This will be Kosovo, with neighbor killing neighbor, and a trip to the store will be an expedition into a kill zone and back. This will make your typical frame home with drywall into a death trap until you line the inside with sandbags.

But, the imminent failure of the US credit-based economy and the 47% who live on that gummint teat can only take us down one road because that government has done everything it can to set the makers vs the takers at odds for the last 10 years. No one is willing to sacrifice a single luxury to fill another’s needs anymore. The battles lines have been drawn and we’re just waiting for the event that fires the first shot. (99 Luftballoons anyone??)

[ProtectOurFreedom]

The article's author, Arthur Herman, wrote "Freedom's Forge: How American Business Produced Victory in World War II." I read his book late last year and HIGHLY recommend it. FDR was initially strongly in favor of a centrally-planned government-led effort to produce the munitions and equipment needed to fight WW II. Eventually he came around to understanding that free enterprise was needed to build the equipment and the key was to quickly award government contracts to companies. Automobile magnate William Knudsen and shipbuilder Henry J. Kaiser were strong leaders of the effort to marshall US enterprises to win the war. It is an outstanding story about how America USED to be able to do great things quickly. Regarding the article, headlines usually are not written by the article's author. In this case, the headline is rather sensational and doesn't really flow from the thesis of the article. But the article's fifth paragraph starts off with "Some have said my warnings about a coming civil war between makers and takers are exaggerated." So it does seem that Mr. Herman is definitely predicting a coming civil war in other writings.

[Popman]

Bump

[Paladin2]

"Washington’s Republicans and Democrats alike have become the toll collectors on the road to serfdom–and the road to Rosario."

Not unlike this meme:

"Every year, the outlaws swing out of the trees, rob the merchants and ride back to Washington D.C. for a glorious feast..." Sultan Knish

[Charles Martel]

You know those hopes of yours - for your work to be looked back on, in some prosperous future, as the writings of a crackpot?

I have bad news...

[WilliamofCarmichael]

". . . some key [events] exacerbated the national debate, fraying trust, and national cohesion just a little more each time . . . The two-party system that had governed America . . . began to fall apart . . . interest in politics took the place of all other forms of news-related entertainment . . . politicians were the celebrities . . . [Politics/ideology] was becoming such a habit, the reactions so automatic, that [journalists] taking sides on every news story became inevitable."

.. I just can't avoid thinking about this from for Love & Liberty by Robin Young and it's about 1857 America.

[A Cyrenian]

If this were to happen, could it be the trigger for the liberals to steal our 401K retirement funds?

I don't want to be enslaved for the rest of my life. But I don't want to give them the opportunity to steal my life savings.

[familyop]

Duplicate (FR title search).

We're now one step closer to America's coming civil war
01/04/2013 9:35:28 AM PST · by RoosterRedux · 78 replies FoxNews.com ^ | 12/3/2012 | Arthur Herman

I'm not surprised about Fox News publishing that at all, though. Rupert Murdoch said that he's in favor of gun control and might be in favor of further scaring folks of his class into supporting it.

[familyop]

Rupert Murdoch, Fox News Owner, Calls for Automatic Weapons Ban
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2969123/posts

Murdoch calls for automatic weapons ban
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2968913/posts

[tumblindice]

I’m watching `The Patriot’ on AMC, Mel’s character is cradling his dying son in his arms.
No one wants anything like that again. At the same time, I hope the Democrats realize that we Americans will keep our liberties.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

I think the "makers vs. takers" is all wrong.. there are lots of makers (billionaires even) and millions of "takers" who side with the ruling class New Normal and our Founders' ideal America, respectively.

The civil war is not going to start because the "takers" didn't get their gov'ment checks except maybe if the ruling class New Normal uses that to agitate and spark unrest.

Before the country is so bad off financially it's likely that the civil war starts over

• statism vs. the individual and
• "human rights" permitted by the government vs. inalienable rights given us by our Creator

The progressives' New Normal ruling elite

I remember them.

The 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radical, psycho spoiled brats were celebrated in the establishment MSM as the most intelligent generation ever!. They are now arguably that very establishment that praised them and they hold themselves and their ideological issue in even higher regard.

[nevergore]

I really belive a Civil War will be more like a third world takeover....

Some military leaders will revolt and take charge of the government, throwing out the current two branches, probably leaving the Supremes in place for both continuity and legitimacy...

There would be general support from the populace....

What would happen after that is anyones guess, I would hope na return to a constitutional republic....

[exnavy]

You mean Ole Barry is the Eva Peron of America!!!! KEWL

[rabidralph]

This is what I'll be wearing when it happens.

[CynicalBear]

Seems a word of caution is due here. If the MSM is talking civil war we may be looking at a trap. Is that what Obama wants in order to declare marshal law?

[Terry L Smith]

The media is talking civil war.
The media talked about Kosovo, what happened?
The media talked about Iraq, what happened?
The media talked about Mogadishu, what happened?

Every time the media started beating the drum, the administration of that moment, did something.

Now, we all know full well, how much the media loves John Q. and Jane Q. Public. But, yet, THEY are the ones beating the drum?

There are no true ‘sides’ in a civil war, even with the nastiness we once suffered. There will be leaders. There will be martyrs to Freedom. (Let’s face it, the ones that are the root cause of this, do NOT want to get hurt, but would buy the popcorn.) There wil be profiteers, like that guy who owned that boat, in the movie Josey Wales.

As far as the media is concerned, in a fantasy situation, they would fighting each other, for the best coverage, with the bullets overhead, like ol’ Connie Chung did. I do not see one of them, at all, doing anything but what suits them, and their broadcaster, Freedom be damned.