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To: Mr. Know It All
Dear KIA,

I do not think that we shall fall into anarchy and revolution very soon. There are enough social "cushions," and really dumb people about to prevent an immediate explosion. Being of advanced age, I can at least see that it will (WILL) occur at some future time after my demise. I'll leave you, if you're under 40, and my offspring and their cousins to handle it.

As far as the Birth Certificate controversy goes, why deal with bytes, bits, pixels and layers? It's much simpler than all that infinitely tedious cyber-gab. The birth certificate in question, as presented by the White House to a fawining media and a stupid public, does not match the materials obtained by Team Obama's lawyers from the authorities in Hawaii. Note that these authorities there have told us only, "...that the data matches data on file in the HIDOH."

Ask a real estate title officer, a bank lending executive, or any lawyer on Main Street: Tthere's a huge legal difference between an "abstract," of data on file, and a "certified copy." The Hawaiians flat out refuse to say that the Team Obama-released certificate is a "certified copy." That KIA, is because it isn't. Of course the WH, could prove me wrong in an instant. All they need do is show the world what they got from the authorities in Hawaii!

It's too simple. It's as if the WH tried to create a car title from "Carfax," rather than get a legitimate title from the DMV. It's a fake. But so what? There's nowhere to take the evidence. But that doesn't make it not a fake!

in re the only lawyer in the whole country who thinks this is an issue worth pursuing is a part-time attorney who got her degree through the mail.

Although lumping them together and ridiculing them all at once is a strategy that has worked for Team Obama, there are actually three (3) fairly distinct issues:
<1> Place of birth. We cannot prove where BHO was born and neither can he, to everyone's satisfaction.
<2> Circumstances of birth, i.e., the non-citizenship of the alleged father. Whatever one's "feelings" on this matter of paternity, it will require a specific SCOTUS ruling and intrerpretation of the Constitution to truly resolve the issue of "Natural Born Citizenship".
<3> The suspicious provenance of the Selective Service records and the Social Security card.

Now the statuesque Orly has the best figure and probably the worst legal brain of all the attorneys on the field, true enough. However, bring yourself up to speed on the actual case against Obama's legitimacy by reviewing Donofrio's masterful amicus curiae brief to the courts in Georgia.

Quite frankly, your logic is excellent in regard to the strategy adopted by Team Obama. In agreement with you, they seem to know that no court in the land, much less the SCOTUS on appeal, is willing to look at the various issues upon their actual merits. Basically, you (and a majority of citizens) feel that since Obama was indeed elected, certified as President, and sworn in, that he is the de facto President of the United States.

The minority, to which I belong, accepts your view because the courts having failed to even consider the case, makes your party in the matter at least appear to be temporarily correct. He is the de facto POTUS, but not as yet the de lege POTUS.

As far as the "right and wrong" of the matters goes, until the courts deal with this, it is a profound disagreement. Eventually the matter will be settled by, if not the courts, by impartial historians. Even as Chester Arthur has been found to have committed fraud in his election and was not a qualified candidate, so IMNSVHO will be found one Barack Hussein Obama.

You claim that this is not a counter-constitutional coup. What would you call an executive that usurps the powers of the representative branch? When age or death takes down the 3 remaining independent supreme court justices ... or even one of the 2 semi-independents ...during this 2d administration, the coup will be complete.

185 posted on 01/12/2013 1:59:31 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, what the hell happened to Reggie Love? Who's in the playroom with Barry now?)
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To: Kenny Bunk
The birth certificate in question, as presented by the White House to a fawining media and a stupid public, does not match the materials obtained by Team Obama's lawyers from the authorities in Hawaii. Note that these authorities there have told us only, "...that the data matches data on file in the HIDOH."

What I've seen does not match this claim.

In 2008, when the issue first came up, Obama released his COLB. This sole purpose of a COLB is to legally prove where and when you were born. This document was immediately attacked by the font people and all that. It was a flat scan, and "image experts" assured everybody that the original didn't have the required raised seal. Then a fact-checking web site published photos of the document where you could clearly see the raised seal. That did it for me. I was done with this in 2008.

Then, after 4 years of hectoring, Obama released a photocopy of his long-form birth certificate. The claims that this document was fake are so convoluted that I haven't bothered to chase them all down. I don't know what you're talking about when you say that the materials don't match because I've never seen anyone on the pro-Obama side claim that the second document was an "abstract." Maybe I missed something, but the discussion around this usually involves some monumental word-twisting. One guy (I think in this discussion) claimed that because the HIDOH didn't verify that Honolulu is on Oahu, the whole verification was discounted. That's silly. If might be less silly if there were another Honolulu in Hawaii.

reviewing Donofrio's masterful amicus curiae brief to the courts in Georgia.

I only know of one Georgia case and these "masterful" arguments were thrown out.

Whatever one's "feelings" on this matter of paternity, it will require a specific SCOTUS ruling and intrerpretation of the Constitution to truly resolve the issue of "Natural Born Citizenship".

I agree that a SCOTUS ruling would be helpful, but let's be honest: it's not going to stop the birthers. They will find some reason why the SCOUTS ruling doesn't apply. It will either be some badly-supported claim that BHO was born in Upper Mongolia or something about how he was holding Roberts' children hostage.

Even as Chester Arthur has been found to have committed fraud in his election and was not a qualified candidate, so IMNSVHO will be found one Barack Hussein Obama.

There is some question as to whether Chester A. Arthur was born 15 miles inside of Canada, but there are no conclusive records. Floods, fire and other ravages of time destroy records, and I'm sure that if we went through all 44 presidents, we could find a few whose birth records cannot be located. BHO isn't one of them, however, so I wouldn't hold your breath about being vindicated by future historians.

186 posted on 01/13/2013 7:10:43 AM PST by Mr. Know It All
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