Posted on 01/03/2013 11:44:46 PM PST by neverdem
bfl
Does this mean absolute zero is lower, is all, or what?
It's a technicality that isn't new. There are certain systems with anomolous "temperatures" because the thermodynamic definition of temperature isn't quite perfectly defined. It's a macroscopic state variable that doesn't completely line up with the microscopic description of reality (and it isn't supposed to, by the way.)
Simplest example I learned in graduate school was: Under the thermodynamic defintion of temperature, a perfect vacuum is at absolute zero because it can provide no heat to any themral reservoir placed in contact with it, no matter how cold. Thus, a vacuum must be "colder" than anything. But at the same time, it must also be at inifinte temperature, because no thermal reservoir, no matter how hot, placed in contact with it can transfer heat to it. So it has to be hotter than anything else. There are a number of these kinds of anomalies.
The absolute zero of temperature is only a point of zero energy in classical physics, which is only an approximation of reality.
In quantum physics it is the point of lowest system energy, which is never zero.
[The simplest, but not always the most correct way to see this is that by the Uncertainty Principle, the ground state of every quantum system that has finite spatial extent (which, for example, descibes anything in our universe) has some non-zero momentum. So "all" motion cannot cease, even at absolute zero.]
They date absolute zero vaguely to the mid-nineteenth century. I don’t think Kelvin lived very far into the last century. It had occurred to me absolute zero predates Einstein and quantum mechanics. I wish they would come out and tell us whether various oldtimey concepts are real, or merely being used to help us rubes follow along.
Or maybe they don’t know, either.
The really important question is: How can I use this information in MY life?
I guess this means cryo-freeze like in “Demolition Man” is possible?
We could have cold bombs or cryo grenades?
I can get motivated knowing I have access to a cryo grenade that will stop molecular function of metals to the point I could shoot a 9mm at a tank and it will shatter like fine crystal.
It appears to be that the good scientists merely redefined Absolute Zero to include some atomic motion thus permitting them to say that they can thus bring a gas to a state of less than Absolute Zero. One can also redefine the pure color Red to include some yellow and thus surprisingly find a state of red that includes some yellow.
But, but science taught us that absolute...that is ABSOLUTE zero is the coldest anything can get! Science is based on facts and logic and HAVE to be right!!! This article must be a religious propaganda piece!
Absolutely relative. Everything is absolutely relative. Except the Bible, which is absolute.
All of science is models of reality. All models break down at some point.
How do you contact a vacuum? There’s nothing to contact.
Exactly, how do you get a Pinto out of this?
That’s a very interesting way of looking at the properties of a vacuum. Thanks. Haven’t we also come to the conclusion that the ‘ether’ as spoken of in previous centuries may actually be more “real” than we were told through most of the 20th century, as there are quantum fluctuations of space-time that seem to have some rather interesting and peculiar properties.
Science is going to have to undergo a paradigm shift.
Mass that exists devoid of energy?
A state yet beyond the complete absence of heat?
The exact value of this absolute zero, relative to Celsius temperature has been measured to within a few microkelvins (it is actually defined as 0K, which is defined to be -273.15 C) It was well established IIRC in the late 19th century by extrapolation. It actually cannot be reached (this is one of several alternative versions of what is called The Third Law of Thermodynamics: "By no finite series of processes is the absolute zero of temperature achievable.") In its strongest formulation, the absolute zero of temperature isn't really defined in terms of temperature, it's defined as the temperature at which the entropy of a perfect crystal is zero.
A much better discussion of what is going on here than is stated in the article is in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero in the section under "negative temperature." It is brief and accessible to the layman.
The beauty of the macroscopic state variables of thermodynamics is that they don't depend on any underlying theory of matter: none of the theorems or results of classical thermodynamics were changed when classical physics was modified by relativity, and none of them were changed with the advent of quantum mechanics. If quantum mechanics was overthrown tomorrow, macroscopic thermodynamics would still be entirely valid and not a single definition, result, or equation would change.
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