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Democratic aide: Fiscal 'cliff' deal reached
AP ^ | December 31, 2012 9:03 PM EST | By DAVID ESPO

Posted on 12/31/2012 6:16:05 PM PST by bd476

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To: Ciexyz
Does it include a cost of living increase for Social Security recipients and federal and postal retirees, configured the same way as before, meaning no monkeying with the formula so as to deliberately decrease the COLA

Yes, don't worry. You'll get your higher COLA. Hope you enjoy it.

51 posted on 12/31/2012 6:46:56 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Democrat_media

call GOP Congressmen , tell them not to vote for this nor any deal , go over the news media’s stupid cliff(which is not a cliff):

Congress switchboard number: (202) 224-3121.

This is your post. The number 2 post on this thread.
I’m confused. U r suggesting posters to call this number, but then u tell
me they are all home?
Let me make a suggestion. Put democrats on your call list as well.
Because if a deal is done, it will be the Rinos and Rats that push it thru.


52 posted on 12/31/2012 6:48:52 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: xkaydet65

Just what is the media’s “fiscal cliff” . Nobody knows what this bs is , at least not most Americans nor people of the world but the media has been saying since the election that the country is going over the cliff(finished): that is pure bs.

The real cliff is growth of government


53 posted on 12/31/2012 6:50:11 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Cementjungle
So, this “deal” won’t even pay for the added year of unemployment payments they’re tossing in there.

Yup! The layabouts will continue to get paid NOT TO WORK.

But since the Sequester will devastate the defense industry, a lot more people will be force into unemployment, so instead of costing us $200 Billion (on top of the 750 Billion spent since 2008 in PAYING PEOPLE NOT TO WORK), unemployment will end up costing the Feds and States even more.

What a great "deal" huh?

54 posted on 12/31/2012 6:50:54 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Arm_Bears

Boehner may get RINOs + Rats to pass this latest crap sandwich,
but it may cost him the speakership.


55 posted on 12/31/2012 6:51:24 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: tennmountainman

The House adjourned for the Day today in the afternoon. So they haven’t agreed to any deal. This is democrat/media lies. So there is still time to call congressmen and tell them not to agree or not to vote etc.


56 posted on 12/31/2012 6:52:11 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: xkaydet65

The GOP and conservatives (I appreciate your making that distinction) will be pilloried no matter what—So put on the big boy pants and do what’s best for the country for a change.


57 posted on 12/31/2012 6:53:37 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: Democrat_media

his “speech” today was just complete (embarrassing) propaganda to put more pressure on the repubs (who pretty much suck as well)

(clapping ‘middle class’ people around o - how fake, how orwellian-scary stuff)

it will pass and there will be tax increases and no cuts-

a temporary fix will just lull the masses back to sleep and there will never be cuts ever

obama should be ashamed of himself-this ‘cliff’ is on his head


58 posted on 12/31/2012 6:53:47 PM PST by MaryLou1
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To: tennmountainman
They House will come in again tomorrow so we can call them. they haven't agreed to any deal . where is the statement from House Republicans? you are parroting an AP article and telling us to accept it
59 posted on 12/31/2012 6:54:18 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: rfp1234

Aha—The silver lining!


60 posted on 12/31/2012 6:56:13 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: willowdean
WHERE ARE THE SPENDING CUTS??

The only spending cuts that would save the Republic from going into financial collapse were entitlement reform.

The talk of reforming Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Welfare programs was bandied about before Christmas, but watered down to nothing. The GOP tried to institute the last vestige of that (chained CPI COLA) into yesterday's negotiations, and then promptly chickened out.

Entitlements are breaking the nation's back, and now they will only grow larger. We haven't even been talking about ObamaCare either. Everyone is also going to pay more for their health insurance and receive crappier medical care so that we can all pay for Obama Voters.


61 posted on 12/31/2012 6:58:47 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: jeltz25
so, just to be clear, this deal has no impact on raising the debt ceiling, and that will be whole nother separate issue in a couple months?

Yes, agreeing to permanent tax hikes over $450k now is the quid pro quo for "unbundling" the debt ceiling negotiations. The expense reduction negotiation is made part of the debt ceiling negotiations. Meanwhile, Obama and the media will portray the Reps as mean ogres all Winter in preparation for the final surrender of the Reps. The real losers are all of us.

62 posted on 12/31/2012 6:58:48 PM PST by Kennard
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To: bd476
That's quite a "deal", but only for America's enemies who want our future crippled. The left wing gets their class warfare tax increase on the rich. Decent Americans get no federal spending cuts at all. Why are the Republicans agreeing to this?

The Dems claimed that if we gave on taxes, then they would have room to negotiate on spending. The House needs to hold firm until they have a Senate bill on spending, and not give the far left this win with nothing to show for it. Frankly, I'd rather go over the "Cliff" and then solve the real problem of out of control spending than continue to impoverish our children and our grandchildren.

63 posted on 12/31/2012 6:59:07 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: bd476

The Democrats lose their leverage if this deal goes through, it makes the <$450,000 rates permanent and permanently fixes the AMT. TheDemocrats no longer will be able to hold a gun to the head of the midde class and dare the Republicans to see if they’ll pull the trigger. Obama’s giving up more than he said he was willing to when it seemed he was all to happy to let the taxes rise on everybody, then o back and fix it by pushing middle class tax cuts. Therefore, it’s something else in the deal he’s got to have and I say it’s the delay of the defense sequestration.


64 posted on 12/31/2012 7:02:39 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: bd476
Helluva way to run a railroad.


65 posted on 12/31/2012 7:05:01 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Ban liberalism, not liberty.)
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To: Kennard

Seems to me this whole thing has been a waste of time. AT the end, Biden and McConnell were always going to work out some deal, and that’s how it will alwyays be.

The WH has no incentive to negotiate with Boehner or the House. They know that in the end they’ll just work out a deal with McConnell.

I guess once Obama won in NOvember though an outcome like this was to be expected. I’m actually surprised they got the taxes to be raised at 450k. I thought for sure they’d fold and give in at 250.


66 posted on 12/31/2012 7:06:32 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: Democrat_media

I’ve changed my mind.
There won’t be any votes to increase taxes.
They will all go up by default
And then they will all agree to reduce taxes on most of the brackets.
Voting for tax reductions will be a much easier vote, that voting for tax increases.


67 posted on 12/31/2012 7:06:58 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: bd476

So what about payroll taxes, the doc fix, presidential approval for debt ceiling and unemployment benefit extension?


68 posted on 12/31/2012 7:07:21 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Through the woods and over the cliff ....)
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To: Arm_Bears

LOL! I’ve heard this about a thousand times over the last 20 years. This result was cast in stone in August 2011 when the Debt Ceiling deal was struck. I’m actually pretty impressed they got it up to $450K and didn’t cave for Obama’s $250K. They are 1/2 of 1/3 of the government. It’s actually a decent deal because the Dems are pissed as well. Thinking taxes weren’t going up was incredibly naive. Is it a good thing? Of course not. It goes against principle. But it will have a negligible impact on the economy and its a better deal than going over the cliff and raising taxes on everyone.


69 posted on 12/31/2012 7:08:05 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: bd476

This article is more lies from the AP.

I just heard on the radio that Republican House majority leader Cantor said he hasn’t seen the deal.

Call Congress there is still time to stop it.


70 posted on 12/31/2012 7:08:17 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: bd476

New tagline ...


71 posted on 12/31/2012 7:08:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance (House Republican leaders only use the purse strings to hold up their pantywaists.)
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To: bd476

So the libs get EVERYTHING they want?

What a great deal. :)

Not for us, but who cares about that?


72 posted on 12/31/2012 7:09:08 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Tzimisce

No deal yet.

This is the AP. what do you expect ? it’s pure lies.

Just heard Cantor said he hasn’t seen any deal.

Call them tell them to go over the media’s cliff, no tax increases.

Congress switchboard number: (202) 224-3121.


73 posted on 12/31/2012 7:11:38 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: bd476

We need a new party. The GOP has been losing since the Roosevelt Administration. This new party MUST COMMIT TO VOLUNTARILY IMPOSE TERM LIMITS ON ITS OWN ELECTED OFFICIALS AT ALL LEVELS. Only then can it insulate itself from corruption and cronyism. Only then can we have uncompromised advocates of the Constitution and limited government. The RATS are winning anyway—it’s time to at least fight and speak the truth.


75 posted on 12/31/2012 7:13:07 PM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Artcore

So you believe the AP? Lol


76 posted on 12/31/2012 7:13:17 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: bd476

Democratic aide is full of bs — no deal


77 posted on 12/31/2012 7:13:17 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Democratic aide is full of bs — no deal

Also the AP is full of bs. This article is from the AP


78 posted on 12/31/2012 7:14:13 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Democrat_media
“So you believe the AP? Lol”
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So you believe Eric Cantor...Boehner’s inept lieutenant? LOL!

79 posted on 12/31/2012 7:15:23 PM PST by Artcore
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To: RKBA Democrat

>> Is there a difference?

In name only.


80 posted on 12/31/2012 7:16:21 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Artcore

Artcore = AP


81 posted on 12/31/2012 7:17:17 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Democrat_media
Democrat_media = Chump

You've seen what Boehner’s done, how he's screwed us over, time after time, and yet you mock us (me) for doubting him and the other GOPe's?

Sorry, but Boehner (and Cantor, and McCarthy) know exactly what's going on here. And you have the balls to to insult me. Pfft.

82 posted on 12/31/2012 7:20:50 PM PST by Artcore
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To: SkyPilot

The military budget should not be not cut just because it would harm business or employment numbers.


83 posted on 12/31/2012 7:21:34 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Artcore

Go vote for Obama again


84 posted on 12/31/2012 7:24:36 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Kennard
(2) expense reductions get put off until the debt ceiling negotiation in two or three months. So the Reps preserve their leverage, on expenses

What leverage? They promised us $100 billion in spending cuts 16 months ago in exchange for printing up $2.5 trillion in new money to fund Obama's election slush fund. I'm still waiting for them to deliver what we were promised last time around. The only leverage the Republicans can claim here is that they have both elbows and both knees on the ground.

86 posted on 12/31/2012 7:31:24 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Artcore

Typical liberal getting all upset lol. you are on ignore.


87 posted on 12/31/2012 7:32:20 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: tennmountainman

“Rinos and Rats.”

They are nearly indistinguishable.


88 posted on 12/31/2012 7:33:17 PM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: Pollster1
Frankly, I'd rather go over the "Cliff" and then solve the real problem of out of control spending than continue to impoverish our children and our grandchildren.

The tax increase on everyone part of the "Cliff" is now gone with this "Deal." It would have been better for taxes to go up on everybody, because then even low information voters would see the true cost of Obama serfdom.

Now, that opportunity is lost. Only "the rich" will pay more.

Secondly, the Sequester "Deal" was even worse. It forces 50% of the spending cuts on the military, even though that is only 18% of the spending. On top of that, defense spending results in high paying, high tech jobs that actually increase the nation's productivity. So killing that goose does no one any good, other than Democrats who have lusted over killing the military for decades.

The "Super Committee" was supposed to avoid Sequester altogether, and that turned out to be a joke. The Democrats declared it over before debate even began. They KNEW the "Super Committee's" job should have been to begin Entitlement reform, and that was precisely the one thing they refused to even discuss and was off the table.

So here we are, worse off than we were before.

1. Military going to be gutted (only delayed by a few weeks)

2. Tax increases

3. Hundreds of Billions in giveaway unemployment checks

4. Entitlements not touched one iota

5. Debt ceiling already reached

6. Markets spooked and the world watching us implode

I could go on, but what's the point? The thing that makes me furious is the Republicans gave away the candy store to the Democrats and left the military out to dry.

That, to me, is outrageous. Shame on them.

89 posted on 12/31/2012 7:34:55 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Hoodat
“What leverage? They promised us $100 billion in spending cuts 16 months ago in exchange for printing up $2.5 trillion in new money to fund Obama’s election slush fund. I'm still waiting for them to deliver what we were promised last time around. The only leverage the Republicans can claim here is that they have both elbows and both knees on the ground.”
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How could we forget!

I also remember Laura Ingraham telling the the Tea Party to sit down and shut up, and get behind Boehner. After-all, according to Laura “Inside-the-beltway” Ingraham, “it was the best deal we could get." How's that workin’ out Laura?

90 posted on 12/31/2012 7:35:10 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Democrat_media

Pi$$ off RINO.


91 posted on 12/31/2012 7:36:32 PM PST by Artcore
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To: bd476

This was the plan from the start, the GOP leders are just pretending to oppose Obama


92 posted on 12/31/2012 7:41:22 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: bd476

The House rejected tax cuts on people making over $1M but now they will vote for a deal with taxes on those making over $450K? actually I don’t care one way or the other what they do now as I no longer care about this pseudo-drama. However I find this new ‘deal’ suspicious. My guess is the dems are setting up expectations so if Republicans in the House kill the deal at last moment the Republicans are blamed


93 posted on 12/31/2012 7:42:03 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Arm_Bears

I disagree.

Multimillionaires are Obama voters. The GOP should stop rewarding them.

The middle class tax cuts were saved.

As for spending, its never going to be cut but Congress is never serious about that stuff.


95 posted on 12/31/2012 7:45:13 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: bd476

Boehner must not let this bill come to the House floor unless a majority of his caucus supports it. And I don’t think they do. If he allows this bill to be passed by the Democrats with a few Republicans thrown in then he needs to be replaced as speaker by a bona fide conservative. I am so tired of seeing our so-called GOP leaders caving in all the time.


96 posted on 12/31/2012 7:45:35 PM PST by borg5575
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To: corlorde

I have, like many, been sucked into all this Kabuki Motion in DC.

After hearing others talk about it, I too, have come to the conclusion
that Kabuki Dances aside, the Senate and The House will not vote on
any last minute cliff deal.
No of these hacks, or very few of them want to go on record to increase
taxes on anybody. However, the automatic increases will go in effect.
And they will then be given the opportunity to vote on targeted tax cuts.
A vote for tax cuts is a much easier vote than a vote for tax increases.
The result will be the same. Taxes on the rich will go up.


97 posted on 12/31/2012 7:52:03 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Democrat_media; All

American Pie”

[Intro]
A long, long time ago
I can still remember how that music used to make me smile
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And maybe they’d be happy for a while

But February made me shiver
With every paper I’d deliver
Bad news on the doorstep
I couldn’t take one more step

I can’t remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died

[Chorus]
So bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’ “This’ll be the day that I die
This’ll be the day that I die”

[Verse 1]
Did you write the book of love
And do you have faith in God above
If the Bible tells you so?
Now do you believe in rock and roll
Can music save your mortal soul
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well, I know that you’re in love with him
‘Cause I saw you dancin’ in the gym
You both kicked off your shoes
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues

I was a lonely teenage broncin’ buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died

[Chorus]
I started singin’ bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’ “This’ll be the day that I die
This’ll be the day that I die”

[Verse 2]
Now for ten years we’ve been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rollin’ stone
But that’s not how it used to be
When the jester sang for the king and queen
In a coat he borrowed from James Dean
And a voice that came from you and me

Oh, and while the king was looking down
The jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned
No verdict was returned

And while Lenin read a book on Marx
A quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died

[Chorus]
We were singin’ bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’ “This’ll be the day that I die
This’ll be the day that I die”

[Verse 3]
Helter skelter in a summer swelter
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter
Eight miles high and falling fast
It landed foul on the grass
The players tried for a forward pass
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast

Now the halftime air was sweet perfume
While the sergeants played a marching tune
We all got up to dance
Oh, but we never got the chance

‘Cause the players tried to take the field
The marching band refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?

[Chorus]
We started singin’ bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’ “This’ll be the day that I die
This’ll be the day that I die”

[Verse 4]
Oh, and there we were all in one place
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again
So come on, Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
Jack Flash sat on a candlestick
‘Cause fire is the devil’s only friend

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage
No angel born in Hell
Could break that Satan’s spell

And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died

He was singin’ bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’ “This’ll be the day that I die
This’ll be the day that I die”

[Outro]
I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But she just smiled and turned away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d heard the music years before
But the man there said the music wouldn’t play

And in the streets, the children screamed
The lovers cried and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken

And the three men I admire most
The Father, Son and the Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died

And they were singin’ bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
Singin’ “This’ll be the day that I die
This’ll be the day that I die”

[Chorus]
They were singin’ bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry
Them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
And singin’ “This’ll be the day that I die”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr-BYVeCv6U


98 posted on 12/31/2012 7:57:41 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: jeltz25

Nope. The debt ceiling is a separate issue.

I expect that will be raised again to avoid a default. There will be no cuts and the country will muddle through 2013.

Happy New Year!


99 posted on 12/31/2012 7:57:41 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Artcore
You've seen what Boehner’s done, how he's screwed us over, time after time, and yet you mock us (me) for doubting him and the other GOPe's?

Agree 100%. I remember back after the 2010 election how excited everyone got about the GOP taking control of the House. Since that time, Boehner has passed two continuing resolutions locking us into 2009 spending levels (with obligatory spending increases included). Add to that the start-up funding for ObamaCare. Did the GOP House do anything to stop that? Absolutely not.

And then fast forward to August 2011. This was the one time to showcase for the world that Obama's policies were bankrupting this nation. But what does Boehner do? He pushes the largest debt ceiling increase in the history of this country and gets NOTHING in return. Nothing. And what does Obama get with his freshly-printed $2.5 trillion? He gets to buy the 2012 election with it.

I hate to say this, but we were actually better off with Pelosi as Speaker. At least with her, top tax rates remained the same. With Boehner, they will go up.

100 posted on 12/31/2012 8:08:20 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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