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Democratic aide: Fiscal 'cliff' deal reached
AP ^ | December 31, 2012 9:03 PM EST | By DAVID ESPO

Posted on 12/31/2012 6:16:05 PM PST by bd476

WASHINGTON (AP) — A Democratic aide says the White House and congressional Republicans have reached an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal cliff.

The measure would extend Bush-era tax cuts for family incomes below $450,000 and briefly avert across-the-board spending cuts set to strike the Pentagon and domestic agencies this week.

(Excerpt) Read more at bigstory.ap.org ...


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1 posted on 12/31/2012 6:16:16 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

call GOP Congressmen , tell them not to vote for this nor any deal , go over the news media’s stupid cliff(which is not a cliff):

Congress switchboard number: (202) 224-3121.


2 posted on 12/31/2012 6:18:25 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: All

I wonder why the Democrats are leaking it now through an anonymous spokesman rather than officially announcing it.


3 posted on 12/31/2012 6:19:05 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

...and like good little sheep, the GOPe will fall for it.

I’m calling my congresspeople but my hopes are not high.


4 posted on 12/31/2012 6:19:30 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: bd476

Probably because it’s a lie.


5 posted on 12/31/2012 6:19:46 PM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: bd476
DOA.

Let Ubama drive us over the imaginary "fiscal cliff."

Let him own it.

6 posted on 12/31/2012 6:19:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: bd476

If true, and the Republicans have shafted those with incomes above $450,000.00, they are dead as a party.


7 posted on 12/31/2012 6:20:22 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: bd476

Cuts?


8 posted on 12/31/2012 6:20:47 PM PST by Theoria
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To: Democrat_media

You might want to think about calling RATs too.
Because that is who will carry this bill over the finish line.
Yep. Rinos and Rats.


9 posted on 12/31/2012 6:21:13 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Democrat_media

That’s a good idea, except if the deal is already done.
They might be leaking this now to increase the pressure.


10 posted on 12/31/2012 6:21:32 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476
briefly avert across-the-board spending cuts set to strike the Pentagon and domestic agencies this week.

So, now they will hit the week after next?

11 posted on 12/31/2012 6:21:38 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: bd476

Cause that’s how they officially announce everything.


12 posted on 12/31/2012 6:21:49 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: bd476

Phony cliff, phony deal.


13 posted on 12/31/2012 6:21:49 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: tet68

Then too the President probably already has his
jammies on and is ready for bed.


14 posted on 12/31/2012 6:23:15 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: bd476

It’s the liberal Dems that are upset with the deal and holding it up. The Obama cheerleaders on CNN don’t know what to make of a Commie Senator from Oregon who’d rather go over the cliff than accept this deal.


15 posted on 12/31/2012 6:23:37 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: Arm_Bears

I’m not in that income arena however I know doctors who are and who will cut back on services and hours to avoid getting tax raped.


16 posted on 12/31/2012 6:24:04 PM PST by TSgt (...voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.)
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To: bd476

Me: We don’t make over $450k, do we?
Wife: No but the man I passed up to marry you makes that much.
Me: (stares at her across the room)


17 posted on 12/31/2012 6:24:15 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a masscre at a gun show.)
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To: tennmountainman

“Yep. Rinos and Rats.”

Is there a difference?


18 posted on 12/31/2012 6:24:36 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting in touch with my inner rebel)
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To: Arm_Bears

“If true, and the Republicans have shafted those with incomes above $450,000.00, they are dead as a party.”

That was the media’s plan.

Since the election the news media has been blasting this “fiscal cliff” BS all over in a massive propaganda campaign. It’s all to get Republicans to agree to raise taxes. THEN the media/democrats can tell conservative voters “see Republicans raised taxes” so then conservatives give up on GOP and then the Democrats take the House and then pass Amnesty , gun control etc.

this “fiscal cliff” is all a media fabrication , a plan to destroy the GOP ( oppossition to democrats).

The media/democrats did this to Bush 1 “read my lips no new taxes”.


19 posted on 12/31/2012 6:24:50 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: TSgt

Most of the Dr’s I know make less than $300k taxable income because they shelter income.


20 posted on 12/31/2012 6:25:45 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a masscre at a gun show.)
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To: tet68

Of course but there’s always hope that they’ll change ... in the next century... or two. ;)


21 posted on 12/31/2012 6:26:39 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

The Vote in Congress hasn’t happened yet though. That’s what matters. the deal means nothing.


22 posted on 12/31/2012 6:26:39 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: ClearCase_guy

At this point it’s difficult to figure out what their plan is. New Year’s Eve when most are getting ready to enjoy a night of celebration and not watching the news... sounds like the Democratic aide got his marching orders from BHO with the blanks filled in while people are watching football tomorrow.


24 posted on 12/31/2012 6:30:02 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

a deal was reached with the congressional Republicans and the ayatollah?? i thought congress was adjourned until tomorrow at 1PM?


25 posted on 12/31/2012 6:30:37 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Theoria
Cuts?

Right, spending cuts?

26 posted on 12/31/2012 6:31:07 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: AppyPappy

ROFLOL! Thanks AppyPappy for my first big laugh of the day.
I seriously needed it. :)


27 posted on 12/31/2012 6:31:14 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476

So, this “deal” won’t even pay for the added year of unemployment payments they’re tossing in there... and we’re hitting the debt limit today.... how the heck are we paying for this wonderful “deal”?


28 posted on 12/31/2012 6:31:38 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: RKBA Democrat

None. They are apart of what I like to call The DC Party
or The Federal Party...the party of big spending and no REAL cuts.
Can’t wait to see the Rinos that form a coalition with the Rats to pass
this in the House.
I am certain u won’t hear the GOP leadership threatening committee
assignments or chairmanships to these Rinos who vote for this sham.
Instead, they will strong arm many conservatives.
What a farce.


29 posted on 12/31/2012 6:32:38 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: bd476
Those evil bosses of small businesses will pay more.
This will trigger more jobs lost.
A double-dip recession is in the wings.
This 'victory' will set the stage for a fight on debt limits, which Barry will also win.
This will allow Barry, Gibbs, and Axeldouche to put the final coffin nails in the Republican Party.

Next up: Conversion of the country to full-blown, central-management Marxism.

30 posted on 12/31/2012 6:33:59 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: VictoryGal

I hear ya.


31 posted on 12/31/2012 6:35:15 PM PST by bd476
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To: Democrat_media

Get real. Bonehead will provide some Rino’s.
Pelosi will provide the rest.
Done deal.
It should be called the Rino/Rat Bill.


32 posted on 12/31/2012 6:35:54 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Cementjungle
Good question but I doubt they have an answer...

...that we're going to like

33 posted on 12/31/2012 6:36:29 PM PST by bd476
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To: bd476
The deal:

(1) Dems get permanent higher taxes, but only over $450k, a higher threshold than they wanted; and

(2) expense reductions get put off until the debt ceiling negotiation in two or three months.

So the Reps preserve their leverage, on expenses, but hand over a partial win to the Dems now on taxes.

The problem with this is that the Dems can demagogue this all Winter, backed by the media, weakening the Reps prior to the debt ceiling battle.

It is probably better to go back to the Clinton rates and suffer two years until a new Congress might be able to override Obama. That would take courage, sacrifice and a different Speaker to take the battle to the Dems.

This will come down to whether the Tea Party caucus can stymie this deal or whether the House Dems and Rino Reps can form an unholy alliance to pass the deal. If the latter occurs, then look forward to a Speaker Pelosi in 2014.

34 posted on 12/31/2012 6:36:58 PM PST by Kennard
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To: AppyPappy

I used to say that the best way to make millions is to have been dumped by me.


35 posted on 12/31/2012 6:37:14 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Arm_Bears

Was watching Fox Business Network and a GOP “Aide” has said “This deal is done” Oh goodie..higher taxes AND no spending cuts..just what Obama wanted..the GOP once again bends over and kisses Obama’s smelly behind


36 posted on 12/31/2012 6:37:29 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Cementjungle

So, this “deal” won’t even pay for the added year of unemployment payments they’re tossing in there... and we’re hitting the debt limit today.... how the heck are we paying for this wonderful “deal”?

We will continue to borrow 46 cents out of every dollar we spend.


37 posted on 12/31/2012 6:38:17 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: bd476

The cliff is pushed back two months.


38 posted on 12/31/2012 6:39:08 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: bd476
Gonna have to pass without the House TEA Party caucus.

That means the RINOs and Dems will own it if it passes and at the least, the RINOs will pay for it in the 2014 primaries.

39 posted on 12/31/2012 6:39:35 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Outlawing guns because of Adam Lanza would be like outlawing free speech because of Bill Maher.")
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To: Kennard

An unholy alliance between Rats and Rinos.


40 posted on 12/31/2012 6:40:24 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman

the Republicans in the House aren’t even there to do your deal, Tokyo rose, they are home right now


41 posted on 12/31/2012 6:40:24 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: VictoryGal
Calling my congressman is a waste of time. He told me that Obamacare was going to be wonderful...even though he like the others didn't read the bill before it was passed.

I'm sure if his party's leaders tell him to, he will vote for this deal. He doesn't wipe his butt without instruction from his party leadership.

42 posted on 12/31/2012 6:41:16 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: SERKIT

Does it include a cost of living increase for Social Security recipients and federal and postal retirees, configured the same way as before, meaning no monkeying with the formula so as to deliberately decrease the COLA - please provide details when known.


43 posted on 12/31/2012 6:41:43 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Democrat_media

So why did u post a Capital Telephone number to call GOP Congresscritters
If they are all home. What was that about?


44 posted on 12/31/2012 6:43:24 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: bd476
and briefly avert across-the-board spending cuts set to strike the Pentagon

Great. So now, we get to go through all of this AGAIN in a very short time.

Thanks GOP! What a great political party!

Now that the GOP has given Bath House Barry (who clearly demonstrated what a street punk he really is today) and the Democrats 85% of what they wanted (higher taxes, $200 Billion for the perpetually "unemployed", tuition tax credits for Obama's perpetual "students", etc - the GOP is left with very little leverage. The debt ceiling debate will be more of the same, and they will cave, because they have proven 100% incapable of reforming what is really breaking the back of this nation - ENTITLEMENTS.

67% of the Federal dollars spent direct payments in the form of Entitlements. And it is getting worse by the day.

It looks like in just days or weeks we will now have to endure Sequestration, because it cannot be stopped.

The DoD will have to cut Operations and Maintenance much, much more than the 9.4%. They cannot touch troop strength (Obama will cut that soon and pay no political price for it anyway), so they will cut O&M, probably by 25% or greater. That will devastate the military.

And it won't stop there.

10 Devastating Sequestration Cuts That People Are Afraid Will Happen Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/10-devastating-sequestration-cuts-that-people-are-afraid-will-happen-2012-12?op=1#ixzz2GgfCoA9H

"The military is already contending with a $487 billion cut over the next ten years as a result of existing budget cuts. Since the existing funds for the war and military pay are exempt, the remainder of military funding will take a harder hit as well. The sequestration would lead to an additional $55 billion cut from the military over nine years, and some analysts think this could national defense to the bone. General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, says that the cuts will leave the armed forces “hollowed-out”.

Every military contract may need to be completely renegotiated

Small, local contractors could be forced out of business

The entire defense industry could be thrown into chaos

Massive rises in unemployment in a number of states

"Several states have an abnormally high proportion of employees who work for the government. As a result of sequestration, there will be firings, furloughs and hiring freezes in many agencies, depending on how each individual agency may decide to implement different cuts. Here are the five states that may be hit the hardest as a result of their high levels of federal government employment:

Maryland
Virginia
Washington
California
Arizona

And here is the best part! The cost of delaying the Sequester for the next 2 years is less than the cost of extending "unemployment" benefits to the layabouts, but the Sequester is going to take place but the "benefits" to the lazy 99ers is already agreed to! Isn't that great!!!

We don't need enemies with "friends" like this.

45 posted on 12/31/2012 6:43:45 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: bd476

where’s Rand Paul on this??


46 posted on 12/31/2012 6:44:22 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: tet68

>Then too the President probably already has his jammies on and is ready for bed.

I’d bet real money that after the wookie’s kids go to bed he will be tooling around with one of his buddies while the wookie gets all sweaty with some serious Shaft.


47 posted on 12/31/2012 6:45:09 PM PST by soycd
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To: tennmountainman
you can still call tomorrow, or tonight and leave a message.

the House is not even there ,they adjourned , so they haven't agreed to any deal

48 posted on 12/31/2012 6:45:18 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’d say let Obama own it, but there is no way the media would allow that. The GOP and conservatives will be pilloried if they allow the country to go over. That’s just reality.


49 posted on 12/31/2012 6:46:13 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: Kennard

so, just to be clear, this deal has no impact on raising the debt ceiling, and that will be whole nother separate issue in a couple months?


50 posted on 12/31/2012 6:46:13 PM PST by jeltz25
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