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To: alloysteel

While secession is an attractive idea in theory, it would be damn near impossible to achieve, if not sustain.

Speaking for myself, it would be a more effective effort to defend our own freedoms personally and expatriate while we still can. The rot of liberalism/socialism is far too widespread, and the further putrification of this once great country is beyond the point of return with the ever-growing spread of the entitlement and handout parasites that will continue to vote with their dependency.


51 posted on 12/30/2012 9:49:43 AM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
While secession is an attractive idea in theory, it would be damn near impossible to achieve, if not sustain. Speaking for myself, it would be a more effective effort to defend our own freedoms personally and expatriate while we still can. The rot of liberalism/socialism is far too widespread

While I agree I have had a hard time of finding elsewhere to live.

53 posted on 12/30/2012 9:59:13 AM PST by Digger
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

No where to go that isn’t worse off or 2 years behind us. Accept the fact that we are in for the Road Warrior Scenario.

It will collapse into chaos globally. Survivors, if any, can try again. If anyone can explain any other outcome based on events on the ground, let’s hear it. But I think people better lose the rose colored glasses quick.

Because there really is no other choice.

America decided it wants communism and islamization. So has most other countries. This is a fact as we see both growing daily. To deny it is useless.

Those two things are incompatible with each other and both are incompatible with freedom. The inevitable outcome is war. History has shown this all before. And it will happen again. It always does.

No one wants to talk about it, let alone admit it. But logically, it CANNOT be denied.


54 posted on 12/30/2012 10:00:47 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

The problems with secession have more to do with politics and logistics than with actual implementation. On an electoral map of the United States, on a county-by-county basis, there are WAY more “red” counties than “blue” counties, and the “red” areas are almost all contiguous, while the “blue” areas are fragmented and often widely separated.

Which means, effectively, the “blue” areas would have to organize as separate republics, all of which would be dependent on the surrounding “red” districts for their daily supply of foodstuffs, energy, and transportation networks. It is impossible to administer any nation divided into discrete regions over hostile territory, which would leave the much smaller “blue” nations largely at the mercy and good graces of the larger “red” republic.

Much better at keeping them restrained and respectful of the rights of others.

Austria-Hungary learned the folly of trying to keep highly disparate populations contained and subject to a “one size fits all” kind of government.

The Soviet Union was once faced with the same problem. Their solution was to relocate large segements of population of a given district far across the rest of the territory, in a forced diaspora, Thus you find Lithuanians in the Crimea, Kazakhs in Leningrad, and Mongolian people in Latvia.


63 posted on 12/30/2012 10:17:48 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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