[Olog-hai]

Then you’ve destroyed your credibility.

[muawiyah]

hardly. There are people who grow up in different places. They have a perspective on their place of origin that is almost always a judgment based in facts.

Others who never grew up in, for example, Western Civilization, can have only an outsider's perspective ~ not that it's always going to be bad or anything, but it will not be complete.

You bring in a Russian to tell us that the EU operates according to Leninist principles and everybody is in a gulag, not likely I'll track that thought process all that well. Better to bring me in a high ranking design engineer who is both delighted and absolutely amazed that we use metal for lintels and facings around elevators, and to top that off have brail numbers punched into the faceplate for the buttons and we can do some compare, contrast, and draw conclusions with that fellow.

It's very obvious that Western Europe is not being operated according to the thuggish principles enunciated by Lenin and his barbarian hordes ~