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To: Sherman Logan
"We have the signature of every US Senator on Senate Res. 511, Apr 2008, wherein they agreed with Judge Chertoff and Pat Leahy that two citizen parents are required to be president."

"I just read the Resolution, and it says no such thing. FWIW."

Your motives don't matter Sherman, since others may trust that you know what you are talking about. From the archives of the Senate Judiciary Committee in The Library of Congress, Thomas, April 30, 2008 here is the citation:

“Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a ``natural born Citizen’’. I recently asked Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, a former Federal judge, if he had any doubts in his mind. He did not.”

That statement was by Senator Leahy, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee. Elsewhere in the minutes of the hearing is another quotation, entered by the committee recorder, saying the same thing. This quotation was once on Leahy’s Senate web site. Needless to say it was scrubbed once questions began to arise. I anticipated that and have a screen capture. It doesn't matter. Whether ignorance or artifice, the Constitution has become a debate topic most haven't read, and most are willing to have explained to them by whomever they have decided to trust. But there are still some who value truth, so we'll correct misinformation until all the records have disappeared, and the new Bill of Rights has fully replaced the dusty old historical documents.

You may of course argue, as some obots have, that the requirements for McCain to be a natural born citizen were different than those applying to Obama. McCain's eligibility was the issue presumably being addressed by Democrats, who were very actively promoting McCain, sponsoring two Senate acts, a law that failed to pass, S.2678 in February 2008, and this resolution, SR. 511. Obama's issue, not having two citizen parents, was never doubted as a requirement, but Chertoff, may have been trying to help his friend McCain, for whom there should have been a Constitutional amendment passed. It may have been assumed that Hillary would be his opponent, since Oboma too signed SR. 511, and never claimed to be a natural born citizen.

McCain was not eligible, and that is why he was so important to Dems. With McCain running no eligibility questions would be raised about Obama, since Dems had thoroughly demonstrated that McCain was ineligible beginning with his candidacy in 2000. McCain's problem was having been born on unincorporated territory, an unfortunate congressional oversight, corrected the year after McCain was born. Yes, the Canal Zone was unincorporated. The authoritative treatment was provided by U of Arizona professor Gabriel Chin in 2008. If McCain had been born, as one published birth certificate for McCain read, in Colon, then he was also born on foreign soil. There were fully seven attempts to amend the definition for natural born citizens between 2002 and 2007, but none left Congress.

39 posted on 12/29/2012 12:28:41 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding

McCain’s Father was an American naval officer, as well as being an American citizen and had an American Mother. If you insist that he was therefore, becquse of his birth in Panama where his father was stationed, insist on saying his is not a natural-born American, you offer a reduction ad Absurdum to the other side. For the purpose of using the word was to debar a foreign prince from assuming this novel office. This was to avoid any suggestion of monarchy, and to rule out any non-American alternatives, such as Prince Henry of Prussia.


41 posted on 12/29/2012 1:48:58 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Spaulding

You referenced the Resolution, not testimony in committee.

As has been pointed out many times, there are two and only two ways of acquiring American citizenship: by birth and by naturalization. Those who acquire it by birth are natural born as citizens.

I realize you disagree, but imo you are wrong.


42 posted on 12/29/2012 2:16:58 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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