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To: Osage Orange
Politically Ross Perot was very relevant.....and you can bet your ass, it's going to happen again.

So, let me get this straight. Your idea of politically "relevant" is being an electoral spoiler and making sure a Democrat gets elected? Oooookay. Politically that is about all Ross Perot ever managed to do.

I'm done. And I know ten's of folks like me....And I know they know more folks like me!

There's ALWAYS folks like you. That's my point. Other than perhaps playing spoiler, the 3rd party temper tantrums amount to nothing. Heck, in 1980 the "moderate" Republicans had themselves a "not going to take it anymore" moment and 5.7 million of them voted for RINO John Anderson. They made no difference at all - and that was nearly 6 million people!

We hear this EVERY election cycle. It's nothing new. It will amount to squat.

I understand your anger. It's well founded, but mostly misplaced. Is the GOP weak and poorly led? Sure, at the moment that is largely true. But the problem is much bigger than that. The problem is that demographics are changing rapidly and the public is shifting left (most especially on social issues). This change with the American public is magnifying our party's internal problems - but at heart the simple fact is the people aren't with us. Just shouting that we need to be more conservative isn't going to get it done. Lots of very conservative Tea Party Senate candidates who bucked the "establishment" in 2010 and 2012 got their butts kicked. In fact, our movement conservative and Tea Party folks are doing especially poorly at the statewide level. Boehner and the "establishment" (such that it exists) is only a small part of the problem we face going forward. Stomping your feet and refusing to participate if you don't get your way will accomplish precisely nothing.

45 posted on 12/27/2012 4:03:47 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Know this...Longbow. Don't waste your breath or your time...I'm done with the GOP-E. And I've voted for a long time....

You can rant and rave...I'm just an "ALWAY"S like folk....and just having a "temper" tandrum. But the bad thing for the GOP-E is...I've never FELT LIKE THIS BEFORE.

Take a bite of that and taste it. And I'm NOT alone.

46 posted on 12/27/2012 4:13:56 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Longbow1969

You keep promoting liberalism, even when your establishment proves over and over to be a disaster.

The republican gains of the last 18 years have been because of a surge of conservatives, from 1994, to 2012, the conservatives have been winning state races while the establishment keeps losing ground and costing us not only elections, but America.


47 posted on 12/27/2012 4:17:51 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: Longbow1969; Osage Orange; BlackElk
Longbow laments: The problem is that demographics are changing rapidly and the public is shifting left (most especially on social issues). This change with the American public is magnifying our party's internal problems - but at heart the simple fact is the people aren't with us.

If you were on my bus, I'd make it stop and then I'd kick you off.

You remind me of Hudson in "Aliens" --

"Game over, man! Game over!

97 posted on 12/27/2012 11:25:47 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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