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Sen. Barrasso: Obama sees a ‘political victory’ in going over the cliff
The Hill ^ | 12/23/12 | Alicia M. Cohn

Posted on 12/23/2012 3:12:38 PM PST by Libloather

Sen. Barrasso: Obama sees a ‘political victory’ in going over the cliff
By Alicia M. Cohn - 12/23/12 09:32 AM ET

Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) said Sunday he thinks President Obama wants to dive over the so-called "fiscal cliff."

"I believe the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes," Barrasso told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday." "He senses a political victory at the bottom of the cliff."

The senator also said he believes the nation will go over the cliff, with the deadline just nine days away.

Barrasso said he thinks Obama is eager to blame Republicans if Congress cannot reach a deal by the end of the year. Polls have indicated that Americans would blame Republicans more than Democrats if talks fail.

Barrasso also pointed to a report in the Wall Street Journal late last week that said during negotiations, Obama threatened Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) that he would use the presidential bully pulpit to heap blame on the GOP during his "State of the Union" speech next year.

With just nine days until current tax rates expire and automatic, across-the-board spending cuts kick in, Obama left Washington after urging congressional leaders to consider a scaled-back plan to extend some of the tax rates and delay the spending cuts. His plan would extend tax rates for those making less than $250,000 a year and allow them to rise for everyone else.

Barrasso expressed doubt on Sunday that Obama's plan, however, could pass the Senate, and on the same program, Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) expressed his own reluctance over the Obama plan.

"It may come to that but we can do better and we should do better," said Conrad.

Boehner, before shutting down House business the week before Christmas, offered his own bill to extend some of the tax rates, in lieu of a broader deal. His plan, which would have extended rates for taxpayers making less than a million, was summarily rejected by the White House and could not win enough Republicans in the House to guarantee passage.

Conrad scoffed at Boehner's plan, which he said "had no prospect of succeeding."

But he suggested that Congress should "split the difference" between Obama's last offer and Boehner's last deficit proposal in order to reach a deal. He also rejected the suggestion that Obama wants to go over the "cliff."

Conrad and Barrasso also split over whether Obama needs to show more leadership in negotiations.

Boehner said last week that the House has done its job and Republicans offered all the concessions they can, but now it is up to the president and Senate Democrats to come up with a deal that achieves broad agreement.

"There are 535 of us here that can provide leadership," Conrad argued, referring to the members of Congress.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barrasso; cliff; obama; victory
More debt. How much is too much?
1 posted on 12/23/2012 3:12:49 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Big ears senses a political victory? What does the great economist Big eared barry sense will happen to the economy?


2 posted on 12/23/2012 3:16:24 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

You have to remember Zero’s constituency is anti-Americans the world over.


3 posted on 12/23/2012 3:18:27 PM PST by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: DesertRhino

It will break Americas economic back. That is his intent. Thus, his victory./ The destruction of the US of A.
We have been stealthed, and the video Agenda: Grinding America Down explains it all, connects the dots, dots the I’s and crosses the t’s.

http://vimeo.com/52009124

Curtis Bowers did a excellent job! We just have to get it out there!


4 posted on 12/23/2012 3:20:55 PM PST by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Libloather
Bath House Barry get to gut the Pentagon (18% of the budget yet takes 50% of the cuts) and raise taxes.

What's not to love?

However, I think even Obama's underlings are now realizing that it was all fun and games to see weeping Boehner squirm.........however, they know the cliff will put us in a real economic tailspin.

Don't listen to the media clueless who spout that the cliff is not real. They have been reading Barney Frank's blog too much. The cliff is real. About 2 million jobs may be lost, and the world's confidence in the US Dollar (what little is left), may be shattered.

5 posted on 12/23/2012 3:22:24 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Libloather

Smart man, Barrasso—he’s exactly correct and all Republicans need to be shouting this from the roof tops.


6 posted on 12/23/2012 3:22:24 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Libloather

I’d suggest that the GOPe practice saying “YOU LIE!”, as a group, in preparation for being the Greek Chorus at the SOTU.


7 posted on 12/23/2012 3:25:39 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Libloather

I can’t believe that he has come right out and admitted that he is going to blame EVERYTHING on the Republicans during his big State of the Union Show and Extravagana! He should have a “gangham style” sign language “expert” in the bottom righthand corner of the picture. His Obamanids would love that.


8 posted on 12/23/2012 3:27:50 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: Libloather
Conrad is a Lame Duck.

What's his position on the XL pipeline? Does he represent the will of the peeps of ND?

9 posted on 12/23/2012 3:30:33 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: himno hero

By wiping out America, he is wiping out western man and their economies as America is the hub. Other nations will be affected too.

It really show that the pen is mightier than the sword.

Folks- we’ve been stealthed and he has the support of the unknowing majority “useful fools”.


10 posted on 12/23/2012 3:34:07 PM PST by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Libloather

It is pay back time for the stupid ba_terds that voted for
Zero... I say go over the cliff all taxes will go up the economy will stop growing if it is and everyone will be paying their fair share!!!! Automatic cuts will go into effect!!!


11 posted on 12/23/2012 3:45:08 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: Libloather

Anything that gets him closer to overwhelming the system.


12 posted on 12/23/2012 3:46:13 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Libloather

Don’t think so. Remember, the economic situation ALWAYS is the fault of the president.


13 posted on 12/23/2012 4:20:14 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Libloather

Going over the cliff is Zero’s dream. Clinton era tax rates and gut the military. Why would he try to stop it?

The question we all need to be asking the GOP is why did they agree to this disaster last year anyway.


14 posted on 12/23/2012 4:20:14 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Embrace the cliff!

Republicans should not be forced - pushed over it. They should happily jump and dare the Obamanation of Desolation to follow them.

Submit a budget with SURPLUS to the Senate to reach that start with a 50% pay cut for all Federal employees. Eliminate all non Constitutionally mandated government departments.

Take a stand, draw a line in the sand.

Embrace the cliff

15 posted on 12/23/2012 4:26:49 PM PST by Fai Mao
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To: Libloather

Ah debt: too much is never enough!
After all, taxing and spending solves everything, just listen to the media.

I do think “going over the cliff” puts the Dems in a good position: they offer tax cuts for just the lower income rates and the media beats up the Reps until enough RINOs go along. Leaving the higher taxes on higher earners. Just the opposite of what should be done.


16 posted on 12/23/2012 4:32:44 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The question we all need to be asking the GOP is why did they agree to this disaster last year anyway.

Bingo.

As for the state of the disunion show, the GOP should boycott. Otherwise, there will be a camera on the face of every pubbie to record their disgust, much like the way clapping was timed for Stalin at Communist Party Congresses.

17 posted on 12/23/2012 4:37:22 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: SkyPilot

I reject your concern about the cliff. First thing we’ll see is a drop in unemployment when the 99 weekers are dumped off unemployment insurance. Also government spending will drop. I say the cliff is good.


18 posted on 12/23/2012 4:44:14 PM PST by impimp
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To: Libloather

0bama is a student of the ‘Cloward/Piven’ strategy of collapsing our economy for reset as a National Socialist state. Anyone who doesn’t see him doing just that is blind. No limits to the debt is 0bama’s goal. Irreversible debt requires collapse.


19 posted on 12/23/2012 4:46:56 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: mrsmith

0bama’s raising taxes on the wealthy generates enough revenue to run our gov’t for what, 8 lousy days? So then, why is 0bama so hot about raising taxes? To further burden the private sector (business owners) towards KILLING IT FOR GOOD. Hence, my FReep name.


20 posted on 12/23/2012 4:52:32 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: impimp

The 99+ weeker unemployment crowd will get “their checks.”. I guarantee it. Obama and his Communists have already insisted upon this at every stage of the negotiations thus far, and no deal will go forward without it. Moreover, the debt ceiling expires by mid February, and the Democrats will insist on unemployment checks at that stage as well. I reject your rejection that massive tax increases and gutting defense is “good”. It will kneecap the economy. Perhaps that is what Obama really wants.


21 posted on 12/23/2012 5:04:56 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Libloather

Political victory no...Cloward-Piven yes. Start prepping now, after the crash the Obama mob will be coming for their fair share from you personally.


22 posted on 12/23/2012 5:20:07 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

“raising taxes on the wealthy generates enough revenue to run our gov’t for what, 8 lousy days? “

But it’s enough to pay only the interest on loans to run it for a hundred days.
Leaving the continuing interest payments and principal still owed- destroying us even quicker!


23 posted on 12/23/2012 5:21:07 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Libloather
But he suggested that Congress should "split the difference" between Obama's last offer and Boehner's last deficit proposal in order to reach a deal.

So That would be between $400,000 and a $1 M? Taxes rise on those earning over $700,000.

Would this include the SS being chained to CPI and alternative sequester cuts?

They might be able to get the requisite number with Repubs and a few Dems. I think Obama's base would be more angry (they HATE ANY SS reforms) than the Tea Party.

24 posted on 12/23/2012 5:31:48 PM PST by what's up
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To: Libloather
There is no way we can go that Republicans will not get the blame. And what is worst is no matter what King Obama does he will win in any direction. We are in the toilet.
25 posted on 12/23/2012 6:21:03 PM PST by Logical me
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To: SkyPilot

“The 99+ weeker unemployment crowd will get “their checks.”. I guarantee it.”

How much unspent TARP money remains? TARP was a blank check for Obama. He can use unspent funds to extend unemployment benefits saving the 99+ weekers from the evil Republican who seek to deny them their just benefits.


26 posted on 12/23/2012 6:26:46 PM PST by Soul of the South
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To: Libloather

Two days of no Obama in Washington, and the country hasn’t collapsed without him.


27 posted on 12/23/2012 6:33:43 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The question we all need to be asking the GOP is why did they agree to this disaster last year anyway.

That is simple, the GOP is a political party bent on survival. Do you REALLY think they care about us as individuals let alone the Constitution? Its all about power over US, no longer about empowering US.

The sooner people understand the GOP/RNC is just as bad as the DNC, the sooner we can get on with fixing this country starting with the individual first.

28 posted on 12/23/2012 6:35:51 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: SkyPilot

“The cliff is real.”

I don’t think so - I think it more of a step. And really who cares if the Reps take a hit.... they either stand for what they were sent to do your look like the bitches of the POTUS.

And really who remembers what happened 2 years ago in politics when the voting starts up again. The Reps should fix the economy and put bills forward that do that, anything else plays in the hands of the dems. The weaker we become the stronger the dems get.

The legacy is pinned on the POTUS not congress. (how much credit does Newt get for the “Clinton economy”.)


29 posted on 12/23/2012 6:44:07 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: SkyPilot

” have already insisted upon this at every stage of the negotiations thus far, and no deal will go forward without it.”

Then kill the deal.... we end the welfare state NOW


30 posted on 12/23/2012 6:48:16 PM PST by mike_9958
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To: Libloather

If the cliff goes over, it means that the government runs out of money. Very simple, the people will learn to go on without there mighty government. Let the government fail, now is better than later, it really is!


31 posted on 12/23/2012 7:02:13 PM PST by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: SkyPilot

But if there is no successful negotiation then we go over the cliff.

And then we have the following good:
1. 99 weekers cut off
2. spending cut

And the following bad:
1. taxes go up

I suggest to you that the combination above is better for America than anything Boehner can negotiate.


32 posted on 12/23/2012 7:14:31 PM PST by impimp
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To: mike_9958

That’s just it Mike.....almost 70% of all Federal spending is on automatic pilot......Entitlements. That’s why Constitutionally mandated responsibilities like Defense is now begging from the table. Over 50% of all households in the US now get a Federal check. It’s easy for you to yell “End the welfare state now!”. It’s another to do it. The only way I see it happening is:

1. A real war, where our backs are against the wall as is our survival. We would sort our priorities of what is nonsense and what is not.

2. A total economic collapse and worldwide reset in all currencies. The problem with this is I foresee our sovereignty being completely lost.


33 posted on 12/23/2012 7:22:29 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: impimp
Add the following to your “bad” column:

- About 2 million job loses in a very short time

- A seriously weakened and even further demoralized military which will now be, in real terms, a hollow force

- A possible acceleration of the world ditching the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency due to a lack of confidence by world markets that finally run out of patience

- An ensuing crisis that allows Obama, the media, and the Democrats to call for even more of a police state to “get us through the current crisis.”

Can't happen. Read your history books.

34 posted on 12/23/2012 7:31:47 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

In the long run military strength and economic strength are the same thing. The fiscal cliff (and the debt ceiling - AKA fiscal cliff 2) strengthens America’s economy by constraining spending and therefore strengthens the military.


35 posted on 12/23/2012 7:57:05 PM PST by impimp
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To: Libloather
And NO ONE....is talking about decreasing SPENDING!!

How many times do the INCOME TAX paying stiffs...in this country have to be SCREWED into believing the Feds will reduce SPENDING....only after TAXING us all again????

36 posted on 12/23/2012 8:19:35 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: impimp
In the long run military strength and economic strength are the same thing.

Yes, that is wisdom, because they are.

The fiscal cliff (and the debt ceiling - AKA fiscal cliff 2) strengthens America’s economy by constraining spending and therefore strengthens the military.

With respect, this is a completely contrary statement to your first.

You must understand several things. First of all, in just a few days, Defense budget authority will be cut with a meat ax by 9.4%. The ramifications of that are even worse than the number. Why? Here is why: Obama has ordered that veterans affairs and military personnel strength not be touched by that cut, and contracts already signed by companies must be honored by law. So the only way to implement these cuts is to slice Operations and Maintenance, called O&M. The percentage that O&M will be cut will be much higher as a result, perhaps as high as 1/3 initially to "pay the bill." I served in the military for over 20 years. In between operations tours, I was assigned to the Pentagon. I know how this works. The military is about to be gutted along the alimentary canal, period. There is no other way around this.

Secondly, Obama has already taken pounds of flesh from the DoD budget. It is the only department to take massive cuts before the looming disaster known as sequestration. The cuts he initiated totaled $500 Billion. Don't let anyone tell you those cuts were "smoke and mirrors." They were not. Thousands of jobs have already been axed, the military infrastructure has already cracked, and our future weapon systems will be a shadow of what we barely are able to maintain now.

Our nation has crossed the Marxist Rubicon river.

Sending out direct deposit Entitlements to both the deserving and the undeserving is now the primary function of the Federal government.

This will not end well. One, we cannot afford the $100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities (which is a fancy way of saying promises to send checks to millions of people for decades to come). But also because our nation is going to be tested in war again. It will happen. The current generation that has served loyally and with great sacrifice is almost burned out completely and broken. They have served multiple deployments, served in harsh conditions, and yet despite all of this our nation has broken faith with them.

Perhaps the looming fiscal and security disaster is what we deserve as a nation.

37 posted on 12/24/2012 3:06:56 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

I’m a bit more optimistic.....

I don’t see a real war nor do I see economic collapse.

Rather I see an inflation in currency that will force the feds to balance because of the interest rates.... if the Reps can work on the fiscal mess.

Obama doesn’t want jobs and a healthy economy because that will limit the amount spending he can do. If we do get inflation interest rates will rise and fed budget will get hit hard with debt payments. Also his voter base will dissolve.

Unemployment payments are not on auto pilot.


38 posted on 12/24/2012 5:55:50 PM PST by mike_9958
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