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Hold the line tea party conservatives!!
1 posted on 12/22/2012 1:58:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama isn’t even remotely interested in negotiating and he doesn’t have to, because all the Dems in the Senate will support him no matter what.

Boehner’ s biggest mistake was to believe hat Obama was serious about any negotiations. Even if the House had passed plan B, Obama would just shrug and say it didn’t matter.

I actually wish the GOP had voted for it, because this might have made it clearer that with Bambi, it’s my way or the highway. On the other hand, nobody but us seems to care what Obama does about anything, and that’s the real reason we have no negotiating power.


2 posted on 12/22/2012 2:15:08 PM PST by livius
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If President Obama and Senator Reid were actually negotiating in good faith ...

It's patently obvious to the most casual observer they are not negotiating in good faith. I hope the people can see that, but I fear they do not.

5 posted on 12/22/2012 2:24:17 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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The bottom line is spending cuts..forget this talk on taxing the 1%, 2%, whatever. If the cuts do not far exceed the revenue collections, it does NOTHING to reduce the deficit. Nothing. If that side won’t budge, then cliff-jump.

Ironically, I believe something that drastically reduces spending like the sequestration will actually keep us from getting yet another credit downgrade. If they dance around it and do essentially nothing, I expect a 2nd downgrade..could be as soon as inaugruation day. Might as well get all the bad news out in January. I can’t take much more.


6 posted on 12/22/2012 2:29:38 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is a good post. It points out some problems with the Repub party as it engages in negotiations with the Dems over financing.
1. These tax rates should not have been temporary. It was apparent when originated that they created future uncertainty and that such uncertainty might end in their expiration.
2. Repubs seem to think that winning an election is like winning or losing some kind of contest or sporting event. This isn’t sports. Until the Dem party earns your seat, you vote your way. The Repubs dominate the House. They should vote like Repubs and not grant the Dems their agenda because they won the Presidency. Almost half of the electorate voted for the Repubs—there is no reason to abandon those millions of Americans.
3. The Repubs seem to have a perpetual misunderstanding of the Dems. The Repubs represent every American, or so they say. The Dems represent an ideology. They don’t claim to represent everybody and at the national level they actively attack those who don’t vote for them. They operate very differently from the Repubs. The Repubs don’t seem to recognize this.
4. The Repubs seem terrified of the media. It doesn’t help being scared. The media serves roughly the same ideology as the Dems. The Repubs are the enemy of the media which includes the old alphabet networks, the NYT and LAT, but also the HuffPo, much of Facebook, and an international cast of politicians and media. If the Repubs don’t make a storng move to create supportive media, nothing the Repubs do will matter, only what is disseminated by the opposition media.
5. Average Joe and Jane don’t understand economics. If you make wild claims of catastrophe that only the Repubs can save people from, you might start to get their attention. You must get their attention. Trying to explain economics in rational, logical terms is a waste of effort. Being mild and reasonable ensures you will not be noticed. Being nice will only result in the Dems having to make up insanely dishonest lies about you—which they do without qualm.
6. The Dem’s desire to loot the nation and replace its government with a bureaucratic, Marxist-oriented system is why they attack the Tea Party with such viciousness. You have seen the Dem’s attack the Tea Party, the Repubs, white males, Christians, the NRA, and others. This is because they are the political opposition. They want to destroy their opposition. The Repubs don’t operate this way. If they did, the Repubs would attack the union system of forced wage extraction from workers, PBS funding, P Parenthood, etc. But the party doesn’t act against these groups—only state and local politicians. The Dems are winning this battle because the Repubs don’t seem to understand what they are up against.

Just my opinions.


7 posted on 12/22/2012 2:32:50 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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thanks, jimrob. ;-)

8 posted on 12/22/2012 2:32:54 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :-)
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To: Jim Robinson
I’ve kept up with Hussein’s “requirements” as this has been going on, and the latest one is still raising taxes on those above $250,000, keep the tax cuts for those making less than $250,000, extend unemployment benefits, and talk about budget cuts later (later is the operative word). I think this will happen just as he wants it. Predicting the future of this country is impossible.

I’ve made sure I will be okay whatever happens and that gives me comfort. Even my 5 lb. Yorkie knows something is up as she saw large bags of her Blue Buffalo doggie food being stored a few days ago.

12 posted on 12/22/2012 2:58:49 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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“These are the very people that we expect to invest in the economy and to begin creating jobs.”
— John Boehner on the debate on whether to extend Bush-era tax cuts / September 15, 2010


14 posted on 12/22/2012 3:20:47 PM PST by mirkwood
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I wish that there were four times as many "knuckleheads" in the House.

This is what I see as obamski's strategy...

He will reject every deal that Boehner puts on the table regardless of what it contains regarding taxes and spending. He wants the car to fly off the "cliff" and hit hard.

He doesn't care one bit about the pain that it will likely cause the middle and working class. In fact, he wants them to get hurt.

Like it or not we have lost the battle for public opinion. Better said, we got creamed.

He knows this. He is counting on the MSM staying in his corner for the rest of his term. So far that has been a very safe bet.

Public opinion may swing back but not soon and very likely not before November 2014...which is what this is really all about.

November, 2014...obama will let the economy crash so that he can point to the "obstructionist" GOP that cares only for the rich and who caused the crash of 2013 by thwarting his efforts to protect the middle and working class.

It will not matter what the truth is then anymore than it mattered six weeks ago.

He will tell the great unwashed that he needs a Democrat House to help him finally save America..."I only have two years left...give me a team I can work with"

This is their strategic game plan while we barely have a tactical game.

A lot of unforeseens await between now and then but this strategy could easily work and give obama a liberal Senate, House and SCOTUS (remember, he will have at least ine more pick by then).

With nobody to say "no", obama's last two years will make his first two years feel like Palin was in charge.

That is the game.

16 posted on 12/22/2012 3:28:48 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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Hold the line tea party conservatives!!
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Hell yes!


18 posted on 12/22/2012 3:55:17 PM PST by House Atreides
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"Hold the line tea party conservatives!!'

Noble sentiment but the harsh reality is that the 70 or so members of the Tea Party in the House cannot enact or repeal any law by themselves. By doing absolutely nothing, Obama and Reid achieve their ultimate goal: higher rates on all persons paying taxes and substantial defense spending cuts. The GOP lost when they failed to win the Presidency and Senate last month. The Tea Party conservatives should go down swinging for their principles, but they will surely go down. Pray for our nation.

20 posted on 12/22/2012 4:41:35 PM PST by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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23 posted on 12/22/2012 7:45:33 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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Is the GOP-e stupid?They want the GOP to look bad, no matter what. They will throw boombs into congress itself if need be, and then blame the “infighting” on a lack of cooperation and ask for the destruction of all opposition and ask no other thing less than worship and adoration. It is what sociopathic liberals seek.


27 posted on 12/24/2012 5:47:30 AM PST by lavaroise
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