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To: Red Steel

I would just as soon opt out of public ed altogether.

BUT, we can use lefty rhetoric very easily on this issue.

“Banks use armed guards to protect their valued assets. Aren’t our children as valuable as the money in those banks?”

This is a LOCAL issue.


18 posted on 12/21/2012 9:47:04 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: Dr. Sivana

How effective was Neil Gardner (armed security) at Columbine? Why didn’t he run into Columbine and take down the shooters? One of a two of first responders to the Sikh Temple shooting was shot even though he was forewarned and working with his partner. The same for the Ft. Hood shooting with one wounded as a team of two first responders encounter the shooter outside the building.

Four cops were killed in a local coffee shop.

Four cops killed including two SWAT by Mixon in Oakland.

Most recently two cops killed outside a grocery store in Kansas.

The Newhall shooting is instructive as to what happens when you are outgunned (so unless the security is carrying a long rifle with a 30 round clip he would have been outgunned).

Remember based on statistics and the population of the U.S. you can go 80,000 years without encountering a mass shooting event. Guards have marvelous training but, unless you are in an active combat zone, it is difficult to keep your guard up.

Not to say that you could have some deterence value to an armed uniformed officer at the only entrance to a school. That is usually the first target.

Of course a couple of husky 12 year olds should have been able to take Lanza down.

Video of police station shooting. What would have happened with a single armed officer at the entrance of a school? In this case that was the first one to go down. Lamar Moore was using a 20 gauge pump action shotgun (Moosberg Model 500 which carries from 5 to 8 rounds). I don’t know what load or which version he was using. Consider how long it takes to reload a shotgun compared to a magazine fed weapon, how many rounds can be fired before reload (max 8 vs. 30), and how fast a semiautomatic fires in comparison to a semiautomatic weapon.

http://www.freep.com/article/20110128/NEWS01/110128009/Watch-video-released-by-Detroit-police-showing-police-station-gun-battle

Of course a couple of husky 12 year olds should have been able to take Lanza down.


54 posted on 12/21/2012 10:48:54 AM PST by exhaustguy
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