Actually I would have preferred the grand bargain last year where we had a 10-1 spending revenue ratio on the table. Now we are looking at I don’t know what? The deal on the table is 1-1 and now I don’t think we can get that. The chips fall is an appropriate term. Since we are going to shove them over to the Dems. What happens now is we go over cliff then pass senate bill for 250k. It will only take 30 republicans and Dan Burton has said everyone will vote for it.
We also look like idiots doing it. A poll today 53% said republicans are too extreme. If your not in power all you can do is slow down the march to
The left. With a civil war going on how do you think we are going to get back in power? Plan b was a bad bill. It was a bad idea. Boehner is weak. The Tea Party has what 70 votes, maybe. Unless everyone is pulling in the same direction the left will kill us. That is the point. We left the grand bargain on the table las year because it was not ideologically perfect. We let the good be the enemy of the perfect and now we are getting hosed. A lot of this is our own fault. So you will excuse me if seeing where the chips fall sounds like a bad plan.
A strong unified party can do great things. A divided party will get run over. This will mean the 40 most liberal members of our party just became the ones with the most power.
I don't know where you came up with that number, but according to the Woodward book, it was Obama who nixed the Grand Bargain by demanding more revenue than what was agreed upon.
And do you really believe that the Dems want to cut spending? Look what is happening with sequestratration. Both parties cannot agree on how to cut $100 billion dollars a year out of an annual budget of $3.7 trillion.
Unless we reform the entitlement programs, the deficits will continue to grow. We have 10,000 people a day retiring for the next 20 years doubling our population over 65. By 2030 one in five will be 65 or older. And by 2030 there will be just two workers for every retiree down from 3.3 today and 16 in 1950. Medicare and SS costs will go up regardless of what is done to those programs. Medicare has been running in the red since 2008 and SS since 2010.
And now we have Obamacare, another huge unfunded entitlement program that will grow in much the same way as Medicare did. Medicare now costs nine times more than projected.
Since we are going to shove them over to the Dems. What happens now is we go over cliff then pass senate bill for 250k. It will only take 30 republicans and Dan Burton has said everyone will vote for it.
Going over the fiscal cliff really involves going back to the Clinton-era tax rates for everyone. And add on top of that the new taxes associated with Obamacare along with a 31% cut in reimbursements to hospitals and doctors. And there are also the sequestration cuts.
The only reason why Obama is making such an issue about taxing the rich is to destroy the GOP. It raises very little revenue compared to what our deficits are and Obama wants to increase spending on top of the growing costs of the entitlement programs. If the GOP agrees to increase marginal tax rates for the "rich," it will cost many jobs and destroy completely the GOP as the party that doesn't want to raise income taxes and claims that our problem is spending.
We also look like idiots doing it. A poll today 53% said republicans are too extreme. If your not in power all you can do is slow down the march to The left. With a civil war going on how do you think we are going to get back in power?
The reality is that we are not getting back into power anytime soon. We have reached a tipping point thanks to the rapidly changing demographics of this country fueled by immigration, legal and illegal, and minority birthrates. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as classified by the USG and by 2042 half of the country will be minorities. 87% of the 1.2 million legal immigrants that enter the US annually are minorities and almost all of the 500,000 illegal aliens are minorities. With 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies born in this country to illegals, the demographics will make the Dems the permanent majority party. And I have no doubt that Hillary will be the next President of the US by a landslide.
We left the grand bargain on the table las year because it was not ideologically perfect. We let the good be the enemy of the perfect and now we are getting hosed. A lot of this is our own fault. So you will excuse me if seeing where the chips fall sounds like a bad plan.
That is patently false.
A strong unified party can do great things. A divided party will get run over. This will mean the 40 most liberal members of our party just became the ones with the most power.
If the GOP-controlled House passes a bill that allows the tax rate to increase for the wealthy, the GOP will be divided and destroyed. That is why Obama is pushing it. There may very well be a Third Party movement as a result based largely on Tea Party principles.
Beyond partisan politics and who gains advantage, there are principles and different visions of what the role of government is in our country. As patriots, the GOP must do what is best for the country. At this point, the GOP may have as much influence as it will ever have for the foreseeable future.
If you want to be effective as a negotiator, the other side must believe that you have certain non-negoitable positions. Obama must believe that the GOP will go over the cliff rather than concede on those positions. We will have to deal with the short term consequences up to and including losing power. In the long run, this country is on an unsustainable course. What the Dems want to do will destroy this country. We should not assist them, especially in raising more revenue to keep the collapsing welfare state going a little longer.
We all know what is coming based on the decline of other great nations and civilizations. First, the "rich" (aka business) are raped and taxed to rob them of their wealth, Second, the battle of Guns versus Butter, which butter usually wins since it has more constituents. Third, taxes are raised on everyone including things like VAT, fees, higher income tax rates, etc. Then, the economy collapses and a man on horseback takes over to restore civil order.
We see this happening in Europe now. For decades, the US has provided the security umbrella to allow them to develop their welfare state. But now, it is collapsing and their is very little to tax. Many have already cut benefits and their public sector, but it is not enough. They have eaten their seed corn and are now in a slow death spiral. We are going the same way. Do you want to fight now or kick the can down the road until we run out of road? The solutions will be far more painful than they are now.