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To: kabar

Exactly how will Obama keep this nation going if all that you mention materializes? Even socialists and communists are not immune to economic conditions that will take down the country.


All the dims are thinking about now is 2014. A couple hundred billion in defense cuts and a huge tax increase will bring the deficit down in the short term. The dims will bring BJ Clinton back out and spike the football. Since the GOP did not offer a “reasonable” alternative he will win that debate with enough voters to take back the House.

All he needs is a comprehensive victory on this issue to club the GOP as the party of rich for the next year and they will get the House back. Then it will be Katie bar the door.

What good are conservative principles if conservatives have no power?


219 posted on 12/21/2012 7:02:23 AM PST by lodi90
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To: lodi90

What good is it to have principles at all when they change with the situation?

Please. I want a serious answer.


221 posted on 12/21/2012 7:04:26 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: lodi90
What good are conservative principles if conservatives have no power?

What good are conservatives with power if they have no principles?

If it means compromising basic principles, then there should be no deal. We need to get away from this mindset that we must make a deal to postpone the next crisis or to gain a partisan advantage and start dealing with the macro issues that are sending this country into a cosmic economic wormhole.

Obama intentionally creates this crisis atmosphere that forces Reps to accept these last minute deals without any real discussion of the long term effects. He did it with Obamacare --you have to pass the bill before you can find out what is in it--, raising the debt limit coupled with sequestration, and now we have the fiscal cliff crisis that has an artificial Dec 31 deadline. The Reps will again be stampeded into "getting the best deal possible." But this will not address our spending problems and entitlement reform, the real drivers of debt and deficit. Now is the time to dig in our heels and force a national conversation on where this nation stands on our fiscal problems. The increased taxes on everyone, the plunge in the stock market, and a return to a recession (which may have happened anyway) should get everyone's attention and lend some urgency and focus to the discussions.

Getting the best deal possible will divide the GOP not unite it. Again, the only reason that Obama is pushing this narrative that the rich must pay their fair share is to destroy the GOP. It raises very little revenue in the grand scheme of things. And the "rich" (those earning over $250K) will already see large tax increases due to Obamacare. And Obama has already positioned himself as the defender of the entitlement programs with the GOP being the mean-spirited grinch that wants to take away benefits for the old and poor children. Even if there were some small changes to entitlements in any proposed deal, the Dems and Obama would say they were forced into it by the Reps.

243 posted on 12/21/2012 8:11:23 AM PST by kabar
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