Seems to me that the hardliners are the ones rationalizing. You can rationalize your positions and hold firm, and get nothing near what you feel the country needs.
As a conservative, I don’t like conceding either. However, it’s better than the alternative which is communism. Sad as that is. Gay people marrying isn’t as important as losing ground in the world.
Just as Krauthammer stated that the unions haven’t waken up to the reality that the world has caught up with us after WW2, Republicans haven’t woken up to the reality that gays marrying, or whatever social issue (aside from abortion, that is murder) isn’t as important as letting the Democrats take over.
So you can stubbornly hold firm, and stubbornly lose. Sad as that is.
agreed
To surrender your moral foundation is to surrender everything.
I believe that Fiscal Conservatism and Social Conservatism need to work together — they support each other. But it has been decades since the GOP really accepted that quaint little notion. I’ve been compromising my whole life, and look where I’ve ended up: Obama is a near dictator and the country is in a Depression. Compromising hasn’t worked out for me.
I don’t intend to compromise anymore. I don’t intend to vote Republican anymore. I don’t think electoral politics are the solution. Politics can be pursued by other means. But you can work closely with John Boehner if you like — let me know how that works out for you.
I have no idea who you are talking about. Who with any power holds firm on anyting?
Look. If a conservative is wrong on basic fundamental issues like gay marriage, then they are wrong on basic economic issues as well. If you are OK with gay marriage - or if (same thing) you don't feel its an important issue - you are a social liberal. Therefore you are what's wrong with the Republican Party.
I don’t even understand your point. Can we trade opposition to gay marriage for something? No, not really. Is it that the gay marriage thing is a ware of time, and our energy would be better spent in other directions? Maybe, but of course somehow the other side is able to focus on all things at once. Why not us? No reason.
Explain to me how conceding this or that helps against communism or helps reverse the ground we’re apparently losing in the world. Because it seems to me perfectly possible to lose on both the issues important to you and whatever “social issues” you don’t care about as much simultaneously. If all conservatives everywhere capitulated and immediately allowed gay marriage in all 57 states and federally would Dems give us anything? Or would they say, “Thanks. Now, about those tax hikes. Is the top rate going up to 100%, or do you have something else to trade?”
I now believe that men attempting to mate with one anothers farty bungholes should be a basis for matrimony.
While we're at it, we'll teach elementary school children that it's okay, something to take "pride" in actually.
You people make me sick.
Gay marrige and ZChristianity are incompatible, not because Christians are intolerant, but because deviants are.
I have often wondered what brought you to this site other than perceived opportunities for trolling among conservatives.
So you want me to accept two parties that are identical on social issues, but one will give me a bigger tax break than the other? Ahhh ok.