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ABC News: ‘Unlikely’ Assault Weapons Ban Would Have Stopped Sandy Hook
breitbart.com ^ | 12/19/12 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 12/19/2012 3:45:49 PM PST by ColdOne

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1 posted on 12/19/2012 3:45:52 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

This could be a broken clock scenario or maybe, just maybe they accidentally stumbled into the truth and reported it.


2 posted on 12/19/2012 3:50:16 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: ColdOne

Someone is going to get a lousy fitness report for this year!


3 posted on 12/19/2012 3:51:20 PM PST by grobdriver
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To: ColdOne

Once people get over Barry and his ‘RATS KNEEJERK REACTION and start using their heads, they’ll understand that “gun control” won’t do anything to stop these kinds of murders. We’ve got to deal with the monsters that the ‘RAT society has been creating since the 60s. If people REALLY want to blame someone other than the murderer, Adam Lanza, I suggest they try to be honest with themselves for once and point their crooked little fingers at the one in the mirror.


4 posted on 12/19/2012 3:51:31 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Gun control is not about laws. It's about confiscation.)
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To: grobdriver
Retraining 'camp' with lots of 'team building' and self criticism.

It's an old, old song.

/johnny

5 posted on 12/19/2012 3:53:55 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ColdOne

Catch .223


6 posted on 12/19/2012 3:54:40 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: ColdOne

Gun bans do not prevent crimes,they prevent citizens from defending themselves.


7 posted on 12/19/2012 3:57:11 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: ColdOne

It could have been the old Remington .22 semi auto I used to hunt squirrels with and it would have been just as deadly. If I recall correctly it could hold either 16 longs or 18 shorts.


8 posted on 12/19/2012 3:59:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ColdOne

ABC News actually reported the truth? Broken clock scenario..better have taped it because you probably won’t see ABC News report the truth for the next 20+ yrs..its a once in a blue moon kind of thing


9 posted on 12/19/2012 4:00:22 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: ColdOne

Like it stopped Columbine? Please. It is insulting that the media & the left think that people are so brainless that they can lie right to our faces.


10 posted on 12/19/2012 4:05:18 PM PST by KGeorge (- Proud member of "Nazis" for Newt /Sarcasm)
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To: KGeorge

Some of the higher people at ABC must love guns, shooting ranges or hunting. Someone if finally waking up in that organization.


11 posted on 12/19/2012 4:10:42 PM PST by YukonGreen
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To: ColdOne

Why the long-gun registry doesn’t work — and never did
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/12/11/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did/

Gun control is not about guns. It’s about control.
Registry is for the good guys. You really think the criminals are registering theirs?

someone should record this random act of journalism!


12 posted on 12/19/2012 4:12:27 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: ColdOne

No firearms ban could have stopped it. Do you really think someone prepared to commit murder and suicide is going to give a rats backside about breaking another law? Or twenty, or one hundred? All these laws do is create groups of defenseless potential victims. It it’s doubtful there is any reasonable passive defense that could have prevented it. The best chance you have for ending an event like this with minimal loss of life is a trained active, rapid response. That means people with firearms in our schools people. Preferably several each.


13 posted on 12/19/2012 4:12:27 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ColdOne

Look for either a magazine capacity limit or a nationwide “bullet button” law like in Kalifornia.

Gun control should be a State’s Rights issue, and be controlled at the state level.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 4:14:13 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Dutch Boy
This could be a broken clock scenario or maybe, just maybe they accidentally stumbled into the truth and reported it.

I would venture a guess the truth - or facts - actually make it out of the state run media 2x a day. It is indeed a rare occurrence.
15 posted on 12/19/2012 4:19:12 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ColdOne
In fact, ABC News even admitted that the assault weapons ban passed by Congress in 1994 didn’t work in the first place:

Which of course can be rectumfied with three simple steps they're willing to share with anyone who will listen, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please...

16 posted on 12/19/2012 4:24:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne (How about a waiting period for putting crazys out on the streets, say NEVER!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Was listening to some of our local talking head gun control sympathizers who want more gun control yesterday.

What they didn’t know, was that Connecticut has the 4th most stringent gun controls right now. Did it stop anything? No.

Gun control doesn’t work.

Control the mentally challenged, and guess what, the world is a safer place.

Who knew?


17 posted on 12/19/2012 4:28:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (How about a waiting period for putting crazys out on the streets, say NEVER!)
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To: ColdOne

Sounds to me like someone at ABC didn’t read the WH “talking points” memo on this.

Expect a retraction and apology for reorting the story incorrectly in the next couple of day.


18 posted on 12/19/2012 4:34:12 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: ColdOne

Setting the ground work for confiscation.


19 posted on 12/19/2012 4:34:31 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ColdOne
My mouth is still hanging open. ABC said this?
20 posted on 12/19/2012 4:34:42 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: ColdOne

homicidal idiots use whatever they can get their hands on. bans only hinder the law-abiding.


21 posted on 12/19/2012 4:35:09 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Once people get over Barry and his ‘RATS KNEEJERK REACTION and start using their heads, they’ll understand that “gun control” won’t do anything to stop these kinds of murders.

Ok, what will? If that evil prick had a knife how many people would have been killed?

If people can own those kinds guns why can't they possess dynamite or other mass explosives?

It's call gun "CONTROL" for a reason, it's not called gun confiscation.

22 posted on 12/19/2012 4:35:34 PM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: ColdOne

First, there are already more than 20,000 gun control laws actively on the books today and none of them prevented this tragedy. Second, millions upon million of people in America own guns and 99.9999% of them have never and will never do anything like this. But, the left would rather punish 100% of gun owners rather than 0.0001% of mentally disturbed people who might have access to guns!

So, let’s lose the hysteria and analyze the facts - a PERSON did this, NOT a hunk of steel. In Portland, a PERSON killed two people in the mall, NOT a hunk of steel! In Denver, a PERSON shot up the theater, NOT a hunk of steel!!

NONE of these facts will matter to the gun-grabbing nanny-staters, because they focus solely on the gun and nothing else. So, what happens if ALL guns are outlawed and forcibly collected by the feds? Someone bent on committing mass murder may turn to knives, hatchets, chainsaws or machetes. So, we outlaw those. The next person to commit a heinous crime may use a bat, poison, poison gas or a semi-tractor. And the one after that may use a car, a pen or pencil, a rock, his hands . . . . . . so when do we blame the PERSON and NOT the inanimate weapon!???

The fact remains that until the left understands that murdering humans by ANY means including their favorite method, abortion, human life will be valueless and more copycats will come out to exercise their demented mass murder of innocent people.

All of that said, it occurs to me that the gun-grabbers are from the leftist school of complete control. What that means is that if 1 person commits a gun crime then, under the leftist theory of the “collective” and “groupthink”, they believe that ALL gun owners will commit mass murder unless they eliminate guns (good luck with that!). So, the calls for more gun control by the left after these incidents is twofold - eliminate the “balance of power” the Founding Fathers so carefully wove into the Constitution and gain total control over the people.

Another part that affects all of this is the fact that laws, whether gun laws, robbery laws, or whatever, are written solely to affect law-abiding citizens. People who commit crimes are called “outlaws” and criminals because they DON’T adhere to the laws created to control or stop their illegal activities.

So, should the left create additional gun control laws, will it prevent the next gun-related crime? Of course not. Laws only affect those of us who obey them. Those who disregard the law won’t be stopped from committing whatever crime they want to commit.

As a final note, Adam Lanza did not own the guns he used to murder all of the people at Sandy Hook Elementary. They were his mother’s guns and they were all legally purchased and registered. Which begs the question, what will any NEW gun control laws accomplish?


23 posted on 12/19/2012 4:38:23 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: YukonGreen

arrgghh I completely misread that. (Thanks for the heads up!) Only read the headline to boot.
I think I’m burned out on this. (It’s not going to do any good worrying about it) sheesh


24 posted on 12/19/2012 4:38:37 PM PST by KGeorge (- Proud member of "Nazis" for Newt /Sarcasm)
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To: ColdOne

“.....unlikely that if the law were still in place, as it was written.....”

The key words are, “as it was written”.

The ABC asshats are NOT agreeing with our side, ABC is in support of a much more restrictive law.


25 posted on 12/19/2012 4:48:34 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: ColdOne

Maybe I’m cynical but...

I suspect this report was made for the purpose of justifying an even more draconian ban next time around.

It’s the typical liberal philosophy - if our policies didn’t work, then it wasn’t the policy, it was because we didn’t go far enough.


26 posted on 12/19/2012 4:49:42 PM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: ColdOne

Go further. Get off defense & go on offense. Connecticut has strict gun control laws. So what happened? Why didn’t the liberals’ solution work in stopping this horrific crime? Get them to defend their ‘wonderful’ solution and explain why it failed. The CT shooting is a great opportunity and a teachable moment.


27 posted on 12/19/2012 5:01:00 PM PST by plain talk
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To: ColdOne

Drives me up the wall when I hear the LSM describe the AR15 as a High powered rifle arrrrrgggghhhh


28 posted on 12/19/2012 5:04:49 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: sirchtruth

Are you drunk?


29 posted on 12/19/2012 5:06:43 PM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.” — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: redgolum

My first thought, too.


30 posted on 12/19/2012 5:08:11 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Gator113

Bingo.


31 posted on 12/19/2012 5:08:39 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: ColdOne
A massacre of children occurs in the middle of the area with most restrictive gun laws in the country and the communists demand more restrictive laws?

Assclowns All.

Better to build a wall around the entire northeast US to keep the crazy contained.

32 posted on 12/19/2012 5:12:53 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: ColdOne
I presume the implication was that the previous 'Assault Gun' bans were too loose - and, by golly, the next ban should ban everything over spit gun caliber...
I don't watch ABC, but I presume they must have been pitching some such drift...
33 posted on 12/19/2012 5:13:34 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: ColdOne

Duh.....


34 posted on 12/19/2012 5:17:45 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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Wow, some segments of the news media are way off script. If they keep this up, they’ll be banned from the White House.


35 posted on 12/19/2012 5:20:44 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: chrisser
I suspect this report was made for the purpose of justifying an even more draconian ban next time around.

That's the way I read it too. There was a drop in crime during that period, but none of it can be attributed to the AWB. But maybe if the law were more restrictive, it might work better than it didn't work the first time. Some kind of weird liberal logic, I guess.

36 posted on 12/19/2012 5:22:11 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: ColdOne

The L.A. Times said the 1994 law, as written, would likely not have prevented the CT shooting. What they are, in fact, saying is that the 1994 law was NOT STRONG ENOUGH! They want a new bill that is stronger and more restrictive than the 1994 bill!


37 posted on 12/19/2012 5:23:42 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Yo-Yo

“Gun control should be a State’s Rights issue, and be controlled at the state level.”

Thanks a lot, pal. That doesn’t do those of us who live in Illinois, behind enemy lines, any good.


38 posted on 12/19/2012 5:26:16 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ColdOne

Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. He might, however, pay heed to the laws of probability.In a gun-free zone, a shooter would know that he would be the only one with a gun there. In an area where guns are allowed, he cannot be so certain.


39 posted on 12/19/2012 5:26:47 PM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: ColdOne

Who wants to bet this will be taken more as a “The ban didn’t go far enough” rather than a “the ban was pointless”.


40 posted on 12/19/2012 5:36:44 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: ought-six
Thanks a lot, pal. That doesn’t do those of us who live in Illinois, behind enemy lines, any good.

Better that Obama turns the entire country into New York City?

41 posted on 12/19/2012 5:40:00 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: ColdOne

... also the key thing our side must do is slow down the process. Obama wants to seize the hysteria and momentum and ram something through. Slow it down to take months or maybe years and let them talk themselves to death and burn out.


42 posted on 12/19/2012 5:46:13 PM PST by plain talk
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I seem to remember that the early reports stated that the AR was found in the back seat of the car, implying that it was never used. What’s the story with that?


43 posted on 12/19/2012 5:46:40 PM PST by Snowy
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To: ColdOne

I was under the impression that the Bushmaster was in the trunk of the shooters car, now it is the weapon used. Does anyone know when they changed the story? Was it the actual weapon used or has it become the weapon to justify the ban on assault guns?


44 posted on 12/19/2012 5:50:37 PM PST by Toespi
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To: ColdOne
Lanza's primary weapon, the Bushmaster .223 rifle, is a type of AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, certain models of which were prohibited from being sold under the ban, but the Bushmaster model used by Lanza was not on that list.

So far I've seen nothing confirming that the Bushmaster was even carried into the school, it's variously been "in the trunk of his car", "also taken", or similar; did I miss something critical to this debate?

45 posted on 12/19/2012 5:55:26 PM PST by norton
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Catch .223

GOOD TAKE!

46 posted on 12/19/2012 5:58:26 PM PST by norton
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To: Eaker
Are you drunk?

No, I haven't had as much to drink as you, obviously!

Stop making stupidass comments and answer the question, if the guy had a knife how many would have died?

47 posted on 12/19/2012 6:01:12 PM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Good point.


48 posted on 12/19/2012 6:05:35 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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49 posted on 12/19/2012 6:16:11 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: norton

Yep...originally the AR-15 rifle was in the back of the car..And they ejected a shotgun shell from it. WTF?


50 posted on 12/19/2012 6:20:23 PM PST by SisterK (My kingdom is NOT of this world)
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