I have been searching and searching for that thread that you quoted about Hagel, the Sand Creek PAC and Elias Aburdene and it just won’t come up. Do you have a link?
I sure wish that Clarisse Feldman (aka: Fedora) would weigh in on Hagel, she did a lot of research on him and most of her links are now dead.
I’m not sure what thread that was on other than I think it was a thread concerning al Amoudi.
Looking at the replies it was probably dated the same day or a day before: 11/03/2005 . Might look for an alAmoudi or Nigerflap keyword thread with that date.