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Driver charged with DUI Marijuana after deadly crash in Vancouver
KPTV ^

Posted on 12/18/2012 7:27:17 AM PST by TigerClaws

The Vancouver Police Department arrested a man for Driving Under the Influence of Marijuana in connection with a deadly crash in Vancouver.

Investigators said the driver hit and killed a pedestrian around 5:50 p.m. on East Mill Plain Boulevard and Andresen Road.

Police say the victim, a male in his 50's, was believed to be walking back from Safeway and stepped out into the middle of traffic.

The driver, Scotty Rowles, was driving westbound on East Mill Plain Boulevard and could not stop his car in time, according to police.

Detectives says Rowles cooperated with the investigation, but after interviewing him they determined there was enough evidence to arrest him on suspicion of driving under the influence of marijuana.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; drugwar; marijuana; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 12/18/2012 7:27:21 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigaret. Smoke, smoke, smoke it ‘till you smoke yourself to death!”


2 posted on 12/18/2012 7:29:08 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: TigerClaws

Vacouver, Washington, or Vancouver, British Columbia?


3 posted on 12/18/2012 7:29:11 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: TigerClaws

Ban cars as they kill people.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 7:32:29 AM PST by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: TigerClaws

“and stepped out into the middle of traffic.”

“Police say the victim was close to two different lit and controlled intersections, but chose to step out into the middle of traffic, which would clearly put him at fault.

However, because Rowles was believed to be under the influence of marijuana, Washington State law says he is technically at fault, according to police.”

WTH?


5 posted on 12/18/2012 7:33:12 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Sounds like he forgot where he was when he was DUI. So, it doesn’t really matter which country ~ he’s been busted!


6 posted on 12/18/2012 7:33:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TigerClaws

You step out into traffic and get hit. So it is the drivers fault could he avoided maybe maybe not


7 posted on 12/18/2012 7:33:25 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: TigerClaws

and so it starts!

so predictable. Liberals NEVER think through the consequences of their policies.


8 posted on 12/18/2012 7:33:25 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I believe it’s WA. Now, where is the outrage against the automobile used in this heinous crime? Obviously we need to do something about these killer vehicles. Of course driving is not guaranteed in the bill of rights but I’ll bet you would get an argument from a lot of folks who think it is your right to drive.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


9 posted on 12/18/2012 7:33:48 AM PST by rktman
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To: TigerClaws

I’m always told by pot heads that marijuana doesn’t affect you like alcohol. Silly me for believing them.


10 posted on 12/18/2012 7:34:51 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

they do this to people drinking all the time, so yep, it should be applied to pot also.


11 posted on 12/18/2012 7:34:56 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TigerClaws

Does the word “dope” refer to the substance or the moron using it?


12 posted on 12/18/2012 7:37:56 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight
Does the word “dope” refer to the substance or the moron using it?

In this case, it seems the biggest dope was the one standing in traffic.

13 posted on 12/18/2012 7:44:43 AM PST by gdani
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Exactly what I was thinking. They’ve created a whole new revenue source for government to nurture and exploit.

Within a decade there will be a half dozen different classifications of criminal intoxication from marijuana alone. Punishments will range from fines to mandatory (and expensive) rehab programs to prison terms for repeat offenders. A joint in an ashtray will be the same as open intoxicants.

There’s a reason I quit drinking.


14 posted on 12/18/2012 7:46:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TigerClaws
That is all to frequent that failure by Free Republic not to include the “State” in the location description really degrades what is usually good reporting.
15 posted on 12/18/2012 7:48:55 AM PST by Gertie
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To: TigerClaws
However, because Rowles was believed to be under the influence of marijuana, Washington State law says he is technically at fault, according to police.

I thought the problem with pot legalization was that there was no test to see who is actually under the influence so they could be prosecuted for driving. No evidence? No conviction.

16 posted on 12/18/2012 7:49:13 AM PST by rhombus
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To: IbJensen

Smoke Smoke Smoke That Cigarette Tex Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWXbVsMkz1U

17 posted on 12/18/2012 7:49:54 AM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Whichever. They are both in relatively close proximity to that newly minted stoner paradise of Seattle-Tacoma.

Just wait for the libertarian pot advocates to come here and tell us that it isn't the pot to blame because:


18 posted on 12/18/2012 7:51:45 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: fwdude
I’m always told by pot heads that marijuana doesn’t affect you like alcohol.

Technically, they are correct. Alcohol doesn't give you the munchies.

19 posted on 12/18/2012 7:54:39 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

“Police say the victim was close to two different lit and controlled intersections”

Apparently the intersections weren’t the only things that were lit...


20 posted on 12/18/2012 7:56:06 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Some cultures are destined to remain stupid and we need to quit trying to uplift them.)
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To: TigerClaws

Stepping out into traffic can be hazardous to your health.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 7:57:24 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Proud2BeRight

“Does the word “dope” refer to the substance or the moron using it?”

Yes.


22 posted on 12/18/2012 7:57:28 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Some cultures are destined to remain stupid and we need to quit trying to uplift them.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“so predictable. Liberals NEVER think through the consequences of their policies.”

1. Driving Under the Influence was illegal before the marijuana law and is still illegal after the marijuana law.

2. There is no evidence from the article that the driver just recently started smoking marijuana when it became legal.

Personally, I am not sure what I think of legalizing marijuana. On one hand, I don’t see why an adult shouldn’t be able to use it responsibly in the privacy of his home. On the other hand, you don’t want children having easier access to it and turning into zombies before their brains get a chance to develop. That said, let’s not sensationalize stories that probably have nothing to do with the law.


23 posted on 12/18/2012 7:58:07 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: TigerClaws

I’d be interested to know if he failed a field sobriety test or if the officer just decided he “smelled impaired”.

Toxicology on the man who decided to walk into traffic?


24 posted on 12/18/2012 8:01:30 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: TigerClaws

So, the guy will go to court-ordered detox and then claim he needs MJ to help relieve the pain he suffered from the crash.


25 posted on 12/18/2012 8:01:57 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: TigerClaws

And so it begins.


26 posted on 12/18/2012 8:04:22 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (2 Corinthians 4:8)
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To: cripplecreek
"There’s a reason I quit drinking."

Yeah. Same here.

27 posted on 12/18/2012 8:04:58 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: fwdude
I’m always told by pot heads that marijuana doesn’t affect you like alcohol.

It doesn't make a difference when some idiot steps into the street in front of you. Stone cold sober would yield (sic) the same result!

In addition, when young (and a little stupid), I took off, flew cross country, and successfully landed when high on pot. I had a friend along for backup, but experimented to see what could happen. I had a great flight... and my friend fell asleep until just before landing. He never took the controls. Just my experience.


28 posted on 12/18/2012 8:06:05 AM PST by WVKayaker ("the sacrifice of One birthed opportunity for new life and real HOPE for all"-Sarah Palin 12/17/12)
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To: riverrunner

that does not change the fact he was smoking pot while driving. There is no safe way to drive while “baked”.

If anything, given the duration of the marajuana in the body, the penalties should be enhanced for driving while on pot. Perhaps quadruple across the board. (four times the enhanced intoxication penalty, four times the money cost, four times the probation, and AUTOMATIC jail time.)

Perhaps driving while on pot should be a felony case right out of the gate.


29 posted on 12/18/2012 8:13:37 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: TigerClaws

ah, The guy stepped out into traffic and the driver had MJ within two week weeks and its the drivers fault.
Don’t think so.


30 posted on 12/18/2012 8:18:44 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: IbJensen

If you are talking about MJ, it doesn’t kill you, if you are talking about the accident blame the guy who stepped out into traffic.


31 posted on 12/18/2012 8:20:31 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: fattigermaster

depending on the state.

Pedestrians have the right of way.

The only variation is some states require the use of the pedestrian crosswalk IF AVAILABLE or not a desgnated pedestrian area. Some states have pedestrians always have the right of way period.

all states have implied consent for drivers. by driving the law is crystal clear, the driver consented to the test.

Pot drivers go to jail. the end. They just have to not driver for the month the pot is in their system OR not smoke pot at all and avoid the issue.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 8:22:31 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: fwdude; TexasFreeper2009

And of course you two clowns didn’t read the story where it says the douche stepped into traffic and it was his fault.


33 posted on 12/18/2012 8:23:07 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: muawiyah

Notice here the difference between DUI and just being stoned, progressive. And even still the story says it was the jaywalker’s fault for stepping into traffic.


34 posted on 12/18/2012 8:30:24 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: longtermmemmory

Fact #1. The pedestrian stepped out into the middle of traffic.
Fact #2. The pedestrian became road kill.
Fact #3. There are no facts as to whether the driver was or was not under the influence of marijuana at the time.


35 posted on 12/18/2012 8:32:43 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: SwankyC

Why read the story when you can jump to your preconceived conclusions. /s


36 posted on 12/18/2012 8:33:23 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
“Washington State law says he is technically at fault, according to police.”

One reason not to get legal interpretations from the police. There was a case here in Washington several years ago where an intoxicated driver was involved in an accident. The person he hit (if I recall, a teenage girl who had taken a car without permission) had blown through a light and there was a wreak. He argued that under the circumstances, his intoxication had no role in the accident; the court agreed. While prosecutors may want to make the Vancouver incident a test case for the newly changed status of marijuana in this state, they may have a problem.

37 posted on 12/18/2012 8:33:34 AM PST by stormer
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Vancouver Washington. I used to live just off Mill Plain Blvd.


38 posted on 12/18/2012 8:35:00 AM PST by Teotwawki (For a person to get a thing without paying for it, another must pay for it without getting it.)
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To: longtermmemmory

In Washington:

Bolting into traffic - No pedestrian or bicycle shall suddenly leave a curb and move into traffic so that the driver can not stop (RCW 46.61.235).

Yield to vehicles outside intersections - Every pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right of way to all vehicles upon the roadway (RCW 46.61.240).


39 posted on 12/18/2012 8:37:32 AM PST by stormer
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To: SwankyC
Legally speaking it is never the pedestrians fault when he or she is t-boned by a moving motor vehicle.

It goes further than that in Washington State. If the pedestrian is in a marked pedestrian crosswalk and you run them down there are penalties beyond the dreams of avarice.

40 posted on 12/18/2012 8:39:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: rhombus

Implied consent laws control.

Also pot stays in the body for at least a month.

Baked drivers are screwed. That’s a good thing.


41 posted on 12/18/2012 8:41:43 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: TigerClaws
the victim, a male in his 50's, stepped out into the middle of traffic.

This is what the spandex wearing leftist do, the ghetto dwellers, the stupid among us...I watch these people start across a crosswalk without even looking etc, just because they have the right away...How stupid is that?

Step out in front of a 5,000 pound steel swinging hammer?

I call these people stray dogs...Actually my dog has more sense.

Of course, once these human morons see someone go under the wheels, it seems to stick in their little stray dog brains.

42 posted on 12/18/2012 8:42:32 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigerClaws
Why you should never talk to the police
43 posted on 12/18/2012 8:45:36 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Vigilanteman

Aww geez! not that sh*t again!


44 posted on 12/18/2012 8:48:08 AM PST by jag.drafting
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Liberals NEVER think through the consequences of their policies.

The consequences of what policies? Stupid people walking into traffic rather than crossing the street at a marked intersection? What ever happened to "cross at the green, not in between?"

Here's a question for you: A guy takes two bong hits of Maui Wowie and then gets in his car to drive to the local mini-mart for Pringles and Haagen Daz. As required by law, he stops at a red light, but illegally makes a cell phone call. Just as the light turns green, a person illegally steps into the intersection against the light while smoking a cigarette and eating a donut. Notwithstanding the green light, the stoned guy remains stationary while he finishes his cell phone call. However, he is hit in the rear by a sober, designated driver with two drunk people in the car, one of whom has an illegal open container. The impact pushes the stoned driver into the guy illegally crossing the street, who sufferes a fatal injury. Which person is at fault and how does the government classify the death?

45 posted on 12/18/2012 8:50:25 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Liberals NEVER think through the consequences of their policies.

The consequences of what policies? Stupid people walking into traffic rather than crossing the street at a marked intersection? What ever happened to "cross at the green, not in between?"

Here's a question for you: A guy takes two bong hits of Maui Wowie and then gets in his car to drive to the local mini-mart for Pringles and Haagen Daz. As required by law, he stops at a red light, but illegally makes a cell phone call. Just as the light turns green, a person illegally steps into the intersection against the light while smoking a cigarette and eating a donut. Notwithstanding the green light, the stoned guy remains stationary while he finishes his cell phone call. However, he is hit in the rear by a sober, designated driver with two drunk people in the car, one of whom has an illegal open container. The impact pushes the stoned driver into the guy illegally crossing the street, who sufferes a fatal injury. Which person is at fault and how does the government classify the death?

46 posted on 12/18/2012 8:50:42 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: muawiyah
Of course, I blame myself for even talking to you. Yer makin' shizzle up again.

There's no such thing as jaywalking laws - except I've gotten a ticket for it and the story says that's what he was doing.

The story clearly doesn't say it was the pedestrian's fault for ignoring the crosswalks and stepping into traffic - except that it does.

Good lord, you progressives will say anything to make something fit your little tiny world view.

47 posted on 12/18/2012 8:59:15 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: Labyrinthos

You can be sure it goes in the statistics as “alcohol related”.


48 posted on 12/18/2012 8:59:55 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: EEGator

lol, no kidding.


49 posted on 12/18/2012 9:00:12 AM PST by SwankyC
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To: SwankyC

Stupid commie ~ believing anything you find in the news. Everybody knows reporters are no good anymore ~ not only can’t they spell right, they can’t even count.


50 posted on 12/18/2012 9:01:38 AM PST by muawiyah
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