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To: Teacher317

re post 12, The shooter, Adam, apparently had no record of criminal behavior due to mental problems and had not come to the attention of the police or public as to having problems. That’s what is needed to be involuntarily treated under the law discussed here.

I wonder if the lack of coming to the attention of the authorities was due to the intense sheltering of him by his mother and the great efforts she is now described as making to care for him? She had withdrawn him from high school and home schooled him as he did not fit well in a school setting. He seemed to have no job and lived in her home. Was Adam on SSI and had a professional evaluated him to sign that he was eligible due to emotional problems?

I am not blaming her for this. The fact that other mental problem individuals get noticed is often due to lack of the family to be able to control that person at home and lack of will or resources to keep control.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 5:49:36 PM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: RicocheT

We maybe we should blame the mother. At least partially.

If an owner of a dog knows that the dog is violent and could hurt people, is it not the responsibility of the owner to correct the situation? Isn’t the owner the responsible party when damage is done?

Now before everyone has a fit, I know this is a human and I know he was 20. But if he is that bad off that she needed to separate him from other kids, well isn’t that a red flag?


21 posted on 12/15/2012 5:58:02 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: RicocheT

I blame her. She knew her son’s mental condition better than anyone and she made weapons available to him.

The mother might have never imagined that others besides herself would pay the price for her poor judgement.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 6:17:15 PM PST by chronicles
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Apparently it has been reported that she pulled him out of school because she did not like what the school was doing. So there was conflict between her and the school with the autistic child between the two. So he was 20 years old and still finishing High School education ?


34 posted on 12/15/2012 6:48:29 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: RicocheT

This hit it home for me. The perp I had to put down had shot a gun into a house with someone he was mad at inside, back when he was a minor.

30 years later he was threatening to kill his ex and me and the law could not and would not do anything. Fortunately, he was chased off at his ex’s house by shotgun and then headed to my place to gun me down. I was waiting in the dark house with a .44 and survived his attack. 911 had over an hour to intercept him and didn’t. They held me in jail on murder 2 for lack of half a million bail while they “sorted” it out.

The system is broken.


39 posted on 12/15/2012 7:21:21 PM PST by soycd
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To: RicocheT

Just an observation, but we might all be shocked to find around 20k of these “Adam-kids” wandering around the US currently. Some are medicated...some are not. The parents are quietly growing older and simply pretending that things are manageable and the ‘kid’ will grow into their twenties and thirties....living at home...and be ‘safe’. In this naive state....we are all living amongst sleeping zombies...waiting for them to awaken.


44 posted on 12/15/2012 8:12:04 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: RicocheT

I do blame her somewhat, her being a teacher, had to know that when a child is not doing well in school to the point of removing him, that perhaps, he was bullied in school, she should have removed the guns from her house.

How many people like Adam, Goth types, have residual anger from being bullied, have shot up schools. Columbine comes to mind.

She isolated him thinking that was the best thing to do. But I suspect, he had a lot of built up anger at the school. Not sure though, why he targeted the little ones....

Mom has some share of blame here; and how involved was the father? Why was not he shot as well....


52 posted on 12/16/2012 7:42:53 AM PST by Engedi
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