[nathanbedford]

Can liberals really be this clueless about capitalism?

I see two camps in liberalism: the low information voter and the elitists who manipulate them. Elitists are not ignorant of the laws of economics, they just despise them and want to replace them with a new set of laws. That is the whole idea of communism and socialism.

In the service of that goal it is not corrupt to resort to lying, manipulation, or even corruption itself, to destroy the corrupt system. Hence, Obama is in a win-win situation with respect to the fiscal Cliff and its sequelae, if the economy crashes he brings it one step closer to ultimate transformation.

I do not see how we can win future elections with the top down argument as effectively as Romney made it (or at least as effectively as we at the time thought he was making it), if we are dealing with about 50% of the population who are so low information they do not understand even the most elementary laws of economics. We cannot win these arguments at the polling booth anymore because the people who understood the laws of economics, much like the people who understood the Constitution or the laws of decency, have to a degree died out.

The Frankfurt School began at the bottom and worked up through our educational system, infecting our institutions, distorting our vocabulary, dominating our culture, and leaving a free people defenseless. Against this, top-down electioneering in the last nine months of a four-year cycle is probably hopeless.

[Lee'sGhost]

It disheartens me to no end, but I have come to the same conclusion. I have begun to believe that discussing partisan politics is now pointless. The only discussions worth having are those that focus on surviving the total adoption of Marxism and the subsequent economic collapse of the U.S.

I’m sure you are familiar with this quote, but I think it captures that of which you speak. I added to it to make it more precise.

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress (democrats) discovers that it can bribe the public (buy votes) with the public’s money.
Alexis de Tocqueville

[RitaOK]

Until your point is addressed, there is no hope, no conclusions of worth, regardless how much ink we waste penning the same complaints over and over.

Any hope for an American comeback, short of Divine Intervention, requires Christianity and education. A classical education. This form of third world pablum thinking that we are presently passing off as public education is simply shaping and not educating, and worse is that we have at least another generation of the indoctrinated coming at us.

God help us, and forgive us for not preserving the Church and the country.

I fear we haven’t a prayer to avoid disastrous decline.

[refermech]

Fiscal conservatives can still dominate the state legislatures. This should be our focus. As for you assessment of our chances nationally, I agree with you.

[Tublecane]

If what you say is true they really are ignorant. Because you can’t change the laws of economics anymore than you can legislate away gravity.