Skip to comments.What Does Let It Burn Mean?
Posted on 12/11/2012 5:13:21 AM PST by BO Stinkss
As one of the first, if not the first, people to say Let It Burn, Im clearly thrilled with the growing chorus of voices joining the movement.
Like any movement, there are true believers and Let It Burn In Name Only (LIBINO) types. Since its never too early to purge a movement of its impure elements, let us lay out some key principles of Let It Burn.
1- America isnt a conservative country anymore and hasnt been for a while. Yes, you can point to lots of surveys that show people identify themselves as conservatives and they even say government should be doing fewer things.
The fact is, a conservative country doesnt accidentally elect Barack Obama twice. It doesn't continue to send Democrats to the Senate who voted for ObamaCare and force the GOP to run as the saviors of Medicare.
People want the ever expanding welfare state, they simply dont want to have to pay for it. They are happy to pretend they can ask the rich to pay a little more (it won't work) or to pile on debt for some generation to be born later to pay for it. What they are very clear about in their votes is...dont you dare touch my free stuff.
One foundation of conservatism is to see the world as it is, imperfections and all, and not the way we wish it to be. Unless we can admit the reality of the country we are living in, Let It Burn makes no sense.
If you think we're just one or two tactical moves and a great candidate away from political victory, you're not in the Let It Burn camp.
2- Gabe and several commenters yesterday wondered, why isnt Bob Corkers tax cuts now, entitlements later idea consistent with Let It Burn?
The answer is simple: Its a deliberate action is based on doing several things- raising taxes and then magically reforming entitlements.
Even if the GOP managed to "win" this standoff with Obama by generating more revenue through tax reform than hiking tax rates, who cares? We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
Let It Burn is about inaction. Theres no point in trying do anything that avoids going over the fiscal cliff/sequestration. Remember, the deal that got us to this point was agreed to by House Republicans, Senate Democrats and signed by Obama. Thats as bi-partisan as it gets. Ive heard from squishy low information voters, Obama and the media that bi-partisan problem solving is the Holy Grail of politics. Well, here it is.
Will it lead to massive disruptions? Yes. Thats the point. The current system is rigged against conservative. We should play no part in its perpetuation. If you cant win the game, concede and start new one. Thats the heart of Let It Burn.
This isn't some petty "I lost so I'm taking my ball and going home" tirade. This is what people want. It's simply not sustainable. If we can't stop them, we don't have to continue to enable them either.
Bill Kristol has a column attacking the Wall Street Journal for opposing any tax hikes. John Podhoretz challenges any conservative to argue with it. Well, I just did.
What Podhoretz should have done is challenge any Republican to argue against Kritols analysis. That cant be done in a serious way.
We need to start disassociating conservatism from the GOP. Weve tried it for 30 years. It hasnt worked.
Weve tried to save the country from the folly of expanding liberalism and the country said, we dont want to be saved. Let It Burn just means letting them have what they want and rebuilding later.
After 2010 I had some hope that we might be able to turn this massive welfare state around. The full implementation of ObamaCare means that isnt going to happen. At least not absent a total collapse of our fiscal house of cards. Let It Burn isnt an option, its an eventuality. The questions are will we be complicit in it any longer and do we want to delay it? I say no. Let the liberals own it. Very few things are made better by delaying the day of inevitable reckoning.
The sooner it burns, the sooner we can try and rebuild.
The dims won’t own it. The press will continue to blame “conservatives” for impeding progress. “If only the conservatives would have gotten out of the way,” they will say. “Because conservatives fought us at every turn, we missed our opportunities, and that’s why things fell apart.”
I guarantee that will be the spin. In fact, it’s already taking form.
“America isnt a conservative country anymore and hasnt been for a while.”
America has a gaping and clear fracture line. I feel little or no kinship for the “blue” sates, or the cultures within them.
Who is John Galt?
” I feel little or no kinship for the blue sates, or the cultures within them.”
Writing from Jackson, Kentucky, Mr. Kristof reported that numerous poor parents in Appalachian hill country are yanking their kids out of literacy classes in order to bag a $689 monthly Supplemental Security Income (S.S.I.) check per kid. The checks continue until the child reaches 18 years of age.
The kids get taken out of the program because the parents are going to lose the check, said Billie Oaks, who runs a literacy program here in Breathitt County, a poor part of Kentucky. Its heartbreaking.
1Cornell University Economics Professor Richard V. Burkhauser says parents are inducing illiteracy to keep the taxpayer-funded welfare checks rolling in. One of the ways you get on this program is having problems in school. If you do better in school, you threaten the income of the parents. Its a terrible incentive, said Professor Burkhauser.
Scorched Earth. Take them all with us.
You don’t continue to build when the foundation is crumbling away. There is a reason some houses aren’t renovated, it requires less money to raze the old structure and start with a solid foundation and quality construction.
The question will be do we include the existing design flaws of the present system when we rebuild? Will anyone be able to point out the flaws that caused the previous system to crumble?
That’s why we need to focus on state and local elections. We need a fire break. If you live in a blue state, there are jobs down here in Texas. The Kalfornian rats have started moving in, so get here and help us kick them out.
The dems MSM will promote the story “its the GOP’s fault” regardless of how this turns out. Let It Burn. Its 2 years until mid-terms and the few sheeple who will even vote in mid-term elections will have long forgotten the “fiscal cliff” charade, the MSM will either be broke and closed or more focussed on hitlery and HIV Slick.
BamaClaus re-won for the same underlying reason he won in 2008, voter fraud, not massive, but just enough to overcome the close race and massive illegal foreign money into nobama campaign used to buy TV time.
Let it burn is, essentially, Atlas Shrugged.
“Let It Burn just means letting them have what they want and rebuilding later.”
It's a bit more complicated than that. Most blue states are geographically almost entirely red, but play host to one or more major urban areas and thier suburbs. In reality the divide isn't red state/blue state, it is rural/urban.
There is a winning endgame strategy here. By way of a hint, keep in mind that the cities have to be fed, and they cannot grow their own food. A "strike" would bring them to their knees.
Agreed, let it burn, Rush is wrong when he says this is a conservative country.
That is precisely what LBJ and the dems did to the blacks with welfare which broke up the black family.
Such nice people these dems we have to deal with......
Let It Burn is a damn good idea and probably the only way to beat all this. We’ve seen the futility of trying to work or negotiate with the clearly anti-American democrats.
You are correct. At that point it is no longer about the votes though. It is an area worth studying. Mao had some success in frustrating the Japanese occupation with this strategy, but Lenin was able to move our from cities to dominate and subjugate the countryside however.
Texas has feet of clay precisely because of the urban areas of Houston and Dallas. It will be almost impossible to destroy the liberal power bases in those cities-they will only grow stronger with time. Any state that hosts a city with a population exceeding 250,000 is going to be pulled to the left.
Check the growth of cities to stop liberalism. If they don't control your state legislature yet, zone them in good and tight. Control development near the cities to prevent the growth of liberal "exurbs." I'm not joking. States like Texas, Arizona and North Carolina need to take steps ASAP to keep from becoming another Virginia or Florida.
I think Rush is still right. There are more conservatives than liberal/progressives. Its just that some portion adopted “let it burn” before the 2012 election by sitting it out, voting 3rd party or going with the “access to the treasury” flow.
That is true. But if food is needed there must be food to take. If there is nothing in the fields to harvest it will matter little who controls the countryside.
American rural dwellers are far better able to defend themselves than Russian peasants. Passive resistance and sabotoge also come into play. Controlling enough land to feed 150 million urbanites would be colossally expensive in blood and treasure.
Read this article and you will understand what is happening:
“Their strategy to create political, financial, and social chaos that would result in revolution blended Alinsky concepts with their more aggressive efforts at bringing about a change in U.S. government. To achieve their revolutionary change, Cloward and Piven sought to use a cadre of aggressive organizers assisted by friendly news media to force a re-distribution of the nation's wealth.”
Or the blue cities in red States.
I don’t think this turn around is likely coming in any of our lifetimes.
It took the Soviet Union 70 years to take the train into the ditch. And they started out with a country that had far, far less wealth to ste....urr, expropriate. Plus I think today’s Leftist is far smarter, and will keep the patient just barely alive in order to continue bleeding it slowly.
Add to this the fact that no matter how we eff it up, Europe will always be five times worse, and the ChiComs and Saudis have a vested interest in keeping us afloat....and we could be in for a very, very long wait before Socialism Fail happens.
Wise advice, unfortunately I doubt it will be taken.
That’s why fiscal conservatives in Congress should start voting present.
My own home county recently changed their official motto from "First in Farming" to "A Place to Call Home." Despite being Republican-controlled for a generation they are clearly content with being nothing more than a place where federal workers can lay thier fat heads. I don't know one person under 40 who is still farming.
Not to mention a sudden curtailment of electricity - no light, heat, water, elevators, gasoline, trains - think of NYC, Boston, Filthydelphia, Detroit, Chicago. In the heat of summer, naturally. If only the parasitic urbanite commie leftists [the takers] knew how they are known and detested throughout the rural and exurbanite areas - the wealth creators, they would live in existential angst.
I believe Harris county was 50/50 Obama/Romney. That is amazing for a major metropolitan area.
True. But a curtailment of electricity will be immediately percieved as an act of terror and will be rapidly set to rights by all means necessary with the full support of the majority of the populance. An agricultural strike has several points to recommend it:
It is non-destructive, which will make it difficult for the propaganda organs to label it as "terrorism."
It is passive, which will make it difficult to defend against or curtail, and will also help belie the "terror" label.
It uses their own methods against them, which at least for a time will make it more difficult to denounce.
It can be concealed for a time behind a natural event (drought or flood) or a man-made event (financial turmoil, civil unrest).
It cannot be easily rectified. If there are no crops to harvest and no herds to slaughter it will be a minimum of one year before food becomes available again in any quantity. The hordes will exhaust all available reserves long before then.
Either give up and let it burn or IMMEDIATELY start the decades long road back to the Founder’s vision by making sure you don’t send any of your children/grand-kids to government schools which are completely infested with communist teacher’s unions.
If any of us expects this to turn around while at the same time continuing to let these communist teach our children in K-12 and then into mostly communist infested colleges and universities you are more insane than a democrat.
We cannot continue this insanity of giving our political enemies control over generation after generation of our children and expecting the resulting journalists, lawyers, teachers, politicians to be anything but Marxists.
Home school if you can. Private school if you can afford it. At minimum a charter schools grounded in the Founders and our constitution.
If we all just sit back any type rants to each other and continue to send future generations to be brainwashed by the public school commie teacher’s union then we don’t deserve the country the Founders risked everything to give to us.
The Progressive communists took this country away little by little following the communist manifesto using our own tax dollar funded public schools as their indoctrination centers until they reached the tipping point of a fully brainwashed media, lawyers who care very little about constitutional law other than how to subvert it, teachers at every grade level to ramp up the disinformation about this country and a group of highly inferior USSC judges who for the most part constantly vote 5-4. These 5-4 decisions should tell anyone with an IQ over 50 that they are simply following party lines and to hell with the Constitution and We The People.
As we no longer have enough people of character and backbone to outright appose this corrupt government we MUST then follow their tactics and immediately begin the long road of teaching the truth to future generations and remove our children from the clutches of the communist within.
If we don’t start now there will be nothing to save.
1) Give the Idiot party every last thing they ask for
2) Invest in popcorn
3) Let it burn to the ground
But be forwarned. In ten short years I saw Fairfax County go from 60/40 Republican over Dem to 60/40 Dem over Republican. The only thing that changed was the population increased, and the increase was primarily drawn from urban cores (and south of the border, a problem of which folks in Texas are certainly well-aware).
I'm not sure what post-cliff America will look like. There will probably be a lot of angry people looking to a broke government for salvation. How the angry people and the government choose to handle the situation will determine a future. I hear people saying there were not any riots during the great depression so why would there be riots today? People in the thirties were more self-sufficent and didn't automatically look to government for help. You see soup kitchen lines that were orderly where today a Black Friday sale is a free for all.
My hope is that we will be able to rebuild with conservative principles and capitalism for the future of my children and grandchildren, but my observation of the human condition tells me otherwise.
Since we can only guess at the future, I can only guess at what will be required of me to take care of my family. I have prepared for a bleak future and hope the real conservatives that can rebuild the country have done the same.
Whenever I look at the electoral map, awash in red but shot through with blue blotches, it calls to mind the image of a cancer patient being steadily consumed by metastases. Is radical surgery the only hope for cure? The only problem I see with your suggested approach is that farmland could simply be nationalized as an emergency measure, and then equipment and operators would be brought in to farm it after the uncooperative original occupants had been eradicated (just think of custom harvesting expanded to include the whole cycle). Now if people simply torched their harvested crops in protest without planting a replacement in season, they might make a small dent. But I fear that the Starving The Monkeys approach isn’t going to do it at this point; I have this sick feeling that the path America is currently staggering down leads to bloodshed or serfdom, and possibly both. Unfortunately, when I look at America today I see a giant Yugoslavia, just waiting to fracture. I still hope for a Czechoslovakian outcome, but can’t deny the demographics and crime data indicating that there is an element who would be more prone to the Rwandan approach to settling irreconcilable differences.
Let it burn.
Nobody has even a weak grasp on just how many government agencies there are or what they do. Didn’t I read somewhere that 83 different government programs pay out “entitlement” benefits?
The Founders established a small central government to handle the things that the states alone couldn’t do, such as foreign affairs, coining money and military matters. That’s ALL they should be doing.
And now we’re seeing the Constitution violated, openly and repeatedly. Why am I not surprised at that? That lack of outrage over Constitutional violations is appalling, but I’ve learned not to expect better from a spineless Congress.
Let it burn.
Open acts of terrorism are unwise and ill-advised. Stoppages and work slowdowns might have a place, but I’ll leave that to other minds to consider. However, I do seem to recall that the Sons of Liberty were known for acts of civil disobedience and hooliganism. Maybe we should look for another Gaspee?
What makes you think that the Americans want a constitutional Republic?
So if we only had the right hands on the control of the government gone wild, we could step back from the abyss? I think you underestimate how hard American and many on FR will oppose your efforts.
To bring the situation under control, promises made by the government to the people will necessarily be broken. Looking at a government one tenth the size of present government may allow us to keep a few of the promises to the most destitute.
In 1950 every retiree on social security was supported by 15 active workers. By the end of 2010 there were only 3.3 workers for each retiree. The government believes there will only be two per retiree by 2025. A Wall Street Journal editorial a couple weeks ago highlighted the fact the government is facing not a $16 trillion debt but an $87 trillion debt if you take into account the unfunded liabilities of social security, Medicare and Medicaid. If you fast forward 20 years until all the boomers are retired that soars to $202 trillion according to Boston University.
Make sure you have stores and a “just the right size” garden & livestock to feed your family, and very little surplus.
Take care of your own, let the dumbmasses starve in their blue cesspools.
I think a Zimbabwe scenario is more apropos to the situation on the USA, but it is far more problematic for the urbanites. There remains a large and homogeneous population in rural USA, and they are well armed.
Agreed, but entire rural communities-not just families-will have to work together, both for sustenance and security.
If talking VA then I understand.
Yup. Fairfax Co., VA.
That our constitutional government has been overthrown is evident in that it's defenders are now viewed as barbarians at the gates, and now it is socialists/unions/LGBTs/jihadis who are the guardians of "civilization" and "freedom" according to their new twisted definitions.
They have made us out to be the barbarians. And we apologize and try to reason with propagandists that we are not barbarians, as though liars cared about the truth.
Personally, I no longer see it as a conflict of ideas or an electoral contest. I see it as a war. And the advantage in being accused unjustly, is that an insecure enemy accuses you of being that thing he's most afraid of you becoming. They accuse conservatives of being right wing fanatics, because conservatives truly becoming right wing fanatics is a liberal's worst nightmare, and we apologize and try to prove we are moderate and willing to negotiate in response. That is a mass media guilt trip and a losing strategy.
They consider us the backward, the neanderthals, the Visigoths and Vandals who want to destroy their totalitarian socialist Utopia. And we try to reason with them that we are not, or worse, submit into depressive silence under their diatribes.
I am a barbarian and a threat to your civilization? Fine. Thank you. I approve of the label, and accept the role. I AM a barbarian, and a threat to your communistic-faggotry-jihad so-called "civilization". Rather than being ashamed that you mistake me for what you fear, I embrace and devote my whole self to becoming what you fear, because I am your enemy, and you should fear me.
My income went underground years ago. This depraved emperor may not miss my few tax dollars, but it pleasures my barbarian soul that I prosper while he fails. I threw out my TV and the Hollywood media machine can grind on without my dollars for it's grease. Not long after 9-11 I stopped funding OPEC and began walking almost everywhere, the Islamic jihad may not have slowed it's atrocities, but I am stronger and healthier and more independent. I practice martial arts regularly, and the people you may think own the streets, don't own the piece I occupy when I walk by, and I change the environment to some degree with my presence. I contribute nothing to this corruption in Washington seeking to twist our minds, co-opt our freedoms and feed on our American soul like the vampiric parasites that they are. So you can add outlaw, and crazy, too, if you wish.
I don't care if what I do changes one thing outside myself. I am the one who is changed. Changing into what, I don't know, but backward and barbarian is what they call us, as if it is the worst thing in the world...and for these enemies to the "backward" America we've lost, the worst thing in their world is what I want to become. What I do may not change anything, outside of me, but it does change me, changes me like the fire and hammering of steel at a blacksmith's forge, and I leave my final shape or result to The Master, if He gives me the strength and purpose for this I leave it to Him what tool I in the end become to suit His purpose.
I embrace my inner barbarian, wild and free as a Viking setting foot on the shores of a new land. Down with a corrupt, venal, vile, liberty crushing "New Rome". God Bless a renewed America.
“I did hear from MANY people that desired a better choice between Obama and Romney.”
A better choice would be statesmen/women instead of politicians. I think they are an endangered species if not extinct. Politicians got us in this mess and more politicians or different politicians won’t get us out.
Running on a platform of ending SNAP, SS, SSI, Medicare, Medicaid and disbanding HUD, DHS, DOE, Interior department, department of Labor, Department of Education might win an election if held on Free Republic, but a citizenry that has elected President Obama as it’s leader twice?
I have a low mileage car that was only driven to church on Sundays to sell you. Zero down and 2 years the same as cash.
What a fantastic, eloquent post.
We need more newbies like you around.
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