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To: stevie_d_64
"Also remember that a Constitutional Convention can and would be represented by political elements that are detrimental to our goal of restoring virtuous government representation and processes, in the form of government we have at this time... So I am cautious about what some folks hope for on this particular issue..."

Your fears are unfounded. Yes there would be some attempts from the left to introduce left wing ideas but the left is so outnumbered they would not get off the ground. Even if they were able to propose some liberal amendment it could NEVER be ratified.

This is the very reason the democrats block any attempts to bring a balanced budget amendment to a vote of the people. THEY KNOW IT WOULD BE RATIFIED BY THE STATES AND THEY WOULD BE POWERLESS TO STOP IT!

If you fear a Constitutional Convention you do not understand the weakness of the left. The simply DON'T have the numbers. They never have. They fear the will of the people more than anything.

A Constitutional Convention allows the will of the people to be voted on.

Secession is a huge loss even if it succeeds. Why on earth would we want to give up huge parts of the country? Wouldn't it be better to actually have California as part of our country AND have them abide by our Constitution? Imagine ALL the states actually following the constitution. We can have that again.

49 posted on 12/11/2012 10:23:41 PM PST by precisionshootist
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To: precisionshootist; All

“Your fears are unfounded.”

I have no fear...What ever gave you that idea???

I seriously question YOUR confidence, and YOUR enthusiasm to convene such a mechanism to “change” the Constitution “as-is” to somehow better fit today’s environment...

I DO NOT trust YOU to even be considered to be a delegate to such a gathering to promote such an agenda...If that is what YOU seem to be extremely excited about in this case...

HOWEVER, the Constitution “as-is” IS very much up for debate (discussion) to fomulate a BETTER UNDERSTANDING of it’s original intent, application, regulation and restrictions placed upon the government WE the people send our peers to do the countries business...

And somehow YOU believe getting ALL the people together to tell the elected cadre (seated now) what they are going to do will somehow force them to do, what we tell them to do???

Your confidence in the left’s weakness is absolutely unfounded...Did you get some sort of memo to the “real” results of the general election last month???

And you feel it is acceptable to allow representation from that “left” to sit at the table to discuss how to better do things in D.C.??? I reject/refuse to introduce a process to give the left ANY chance to throw their monkey wrench into the already damaged gearbox...

Doing so would absolutely allow it to never come to fruition a Balanced Budget Amendment at this particular political time and environment!!!

As a point of order, what state do you live in??? I believe that would explain a lot about you and your motivations...

Now for the real debate...

“Secession is a huge loss even if it succeeds. Why on earth would we want to give up huge parts of the country?”

[Giving up??? I hope you realize, and understand that my state (Texas) is a “revenue negative” state...We send more tax dollars to D.C. than what “we” get back in Federal funds for manicures and pedicures, and that most of “us” in the know, feel it is time to send less to the Feds and other states to benefit “their” welfare state and all the entitlements and overspending, waste, fraud and other nonsense that revenue supports...You are most correct to note that getting the budget balanced IS a very good and proper thing to do!!! And until that is accomplished, in our regular processes, I reject any attempt to muddy the waters with changes to the standing procedures, and risk allowing it to be that much more difficult to do so...]

“Wouldn’t it be better to actually have California as part of our country AND have them abide by our Constitution?”

[”Really??? I have a bookie in Vegas that wouldn’t entertain those odds...California needs to turn itself around, and not on the backs of the rest of us who have been placating the abuses they perpetuate on the rest of us at the same time...I do not as much blame the people of that state, but more the culture of corruption and unrealistic expectations THEY have that somehow THEY deserve more and more help from Uncle Sam to stave off the inevitable collapse, and unsustainable feduciary vacumn that is draining the rest of the country with it...And THEY are not alone in those abuses!!!]

“Imagine ALL the states actually following the constitution. We can have that again.”

[You ARE CORRECT!!! But until we have a real return to “virtuous” people representing us at ALL levels of government, we cannot expect that to happen, there is too much menusha and nonsense going on that honestly I do not see anything but a total economic collapse will make an impact on the psychy of our population...The idea of somehow there is this assumption that government can fix a problem IT ALONE CREATED, is begining to wear down the intelligence of the majority of people on both sides of the aisle...And democrat/liberal/progressive/socialists are sucking up the remaining intelligence this country has in its coffers!!! To me that is unacceptable, and that is why I believe it is proper to discuss a separation from this failing system to get the message across...]

In conclusion, I have only one request...

Do not question my loyalties, patriotism, or fears again...

I do not fear any man, but I do have concerns, that the fears and agendas of others, with good intentions, that might gain enough traction with people of politically apathetic attention spans, will base their emotional responses and votes on the messages with underlying destructive, but well-meaning intents...

I have to respect the left in only that they have the attention of many people who DO NOT pay attention to what is going on past American Idol, Survivor and other nonsense coming through the boob tube these days...

Why give them a chance to make it even harder to correct the course of this ship???

/rant


50 posted on 12/13/2012 9:45:04 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: precisionshootist
“Wouldn’t it be better to actually have California as part of our country AND have them abide by our Constitution?”

It would, if you kick the pervs and parasites, the Sodomites and sojourners.

Lots of Mexicans come here only to work, and in doing so depress wages for their U.S. Citizen cousins. Others come just for the freebies. Time for them to go home.

Time for the perverts to go buy Paraguay and show us all how it's done by really fabulous people who know ever so much more than we do.

Time for the East Bay Communists to go away or go to the wall. Maybe they can go administer Fabulous Paraguay.

54 posted on 12/13/2012 8:37:44 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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