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George Will: “Opposition to Gay Marriage is Dying—It’s Old People”
Cybercast News Service ^ | December 10, 2012 | Pete Winn

Posted on 12/10/2012 5:39:44 PM PST by Olog-hai

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To: ansel12

True, but the biggest damage of all just happened on our watch, with Obamacare. It’s bigger than all that Wilson and FDR did, put together.


61 posted on 12/10/2012 7:03:28 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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To: JCBreckenridge

You skipped over the biggest point of all.

Do you really believe that America will become more conservative as the voters age 48 to 66 die off?


62 posted on 12/10/2012 7:03:48 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Olog-hai; victim soul; Isabel2010; Smokin' Joe; Michigander222; PJBankard; scottjewell; ebb tide; ..
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63 posted on 12/10/2012 7:04:19 PM PST by narses
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64 posted on 12/10/2012 7:05:04 PM PST by narses
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To: Olog-hai

Ok Mr Propoganda George Will.

FYI, my gay brother, who married his gay partner, is dead from AIDS.

My dead gay brother’s twin brother also has recently contracted AIDS and is in treatment and is going to die early from homosexual behavior.

The only gift of homosexuality and gay marriage in my family is illness and early death from AIDS, for my two younger brothers.

Well, that is not counting the homo gay marriage thing wrecking my church, which has not been too nifty.

American media made gay ok. It is not, however, what God intended. Homosexuality brings pain, illness, death, and abomination.


65 posted on 12/10/2012 7:06:50 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Olog-hai

-— If there were not divorce, then no custody battles and property disputes, yes?-—

A man and a woman have a baby. The woman runs off with the child. Should the state step in?

If the man refuses to support the woman and child, should the state step in?

The list of potential injustices is endless.


66 posted on 12/10/2012 7:07:50 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: ansel12

Yes, I do. I said that already. Many of us have seen our parents divorce. Most of my generation is poorer than our parents, having fewer opportunities. The money that we do make is worth less, we paid much more for our education.

There’s a real hunger for authentic conservatives. Then we watch the boomers put up Mitt Romney.

If the Republicans aren’t careful, they are going to lose a whole generation of people who are disaffected with Obama’s policies. All I keep seeing from Boehner and McConnell, is that they are perfectly happy to lose and to go along with Obama’s agenda rather then fight. They want to dump the bill they have ran up on us.

By necessity this next generation is going to be more conservative, if for anything, because of the fact that we have to pick through the rubbish that yours has left behind.

I have more credentials now than either of my parents had when they were my age. My mother was a teacher, and my father also taught as well. I find that I need even more than what my mother needed to get an admin position, despite the fact this is for an entry-level position teaching job.

So what are we supposed to think? We want to work and make money, but you boomers won’t let us.


67 posted on 12/10/2012 7:09:07 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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To: JCBreckenridge

Not anywhere close to true, look at the legislation that was passed from 1935 to 1980.

There was one piece that was the fatal bullet, one that has already destroyed us, and from which there is no recovery from, JFK’s long desired 1965 Immigration Act, that was passed on his death.

The election of JFK was the end of America, Vietnam, the 60s, LBJ, government unions, and the fatal pill of immigration.

JFK was the end of us.

“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy.
He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s. In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960.
In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin. After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy.
In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.”
Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”


68 posted on 12/10/2012 7:11:24 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Good Lord, if you think that conservatism will advance once the over 50 voters die out, man are you in for an education.


69 posted on 12/10/2012 7:16:00 PM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Olog-hai

The Romans thought it was OK. They are really old people.


70 posted on 12/10/2012 7:16:58 PM PST by cruise_missile
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To: JCBreckenridge

“Where’s the money going to come to pay and prop up this nonsense?

Fines and lawsuits for those who won’t go along with whatever the state is calling marriage at the time? That’s probably what they are thinking.

“There are plenty of us young folks who have had this ‘gay is good’ crap shoved down our throats by our parents and I’ve even been sent to a therapist to ‘correct’ me.”

Looks like they didn’t ‘succeed,’ which seems like a good thing from what you describe.

“I know there are plenty of conservative freepers out there - but surely you see our frustration with your colleagues?”

If anyone thinks ‘gay marriage’ is a positive thing, they are deluding themselves. If anyone thinks that the state defines marriage, I will simply disagree with them.

Freegards


71 posted on 12/10/2012 7:18:20 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Olog-hai
Seems like a lot of things are dying these days:
  1. Our Families
  2. Our Churches
  3. Our Nation
  4. The Economy
  5. The GOP
  6. George Will's Relevance...

It is "getting old."

Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

72 posted on 12/10/2012 7:19:56 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: ansel12

The greatest opposition I have had as a teacher has come from boomer parents. I’m just telling you the facts.


73 posted on 12/10/2012 7:23:40 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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To: Ransomed

“Fines and lawsuits for those who won’t go along with whatever the state is calling marriage at the time? That’s probably what they are thinking.”

That might buy them a little time to keep their train running, but that doesn’t avert the major problems. It probably exacerbates them by encouraging people to do stuff “out of the public eye”.

“Looks like they didn’t ‘succeed,’ which seems like a good thing from what you describe.”

Nope. I met some very solid young men and women at university and they set me straight.

Thank you sir, there is hope - but we just need the boomers to let us take a crack at things.


74 posted on 12/10/2012 7:26:48 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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To: Olog-hai
This thread contains plenty of "blame the messenger" without any "here's the evidence that the message is wrong."

I don't particularly trust the source, but when I went looking for recent data, this is what came up:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/12/05/poll-from-gay-marriage-to-adoption-attitudes-changing-fast/1748873/

In the new survey, the only age group in which a majority opposes same-sex marriage are those 65 and older, and the only region with majority opposition is the South.

That supports what Will said. Where is the evidence to the contrary?

75 posted on 12/10/2012 7:27:33 PM PST by TChad
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To: Olog-hai

Well, Mr. Will, I’m not particularly old. But I do not forget what my father and grandfather told me. I do not forget the laws laid down by my God, who rightly terms these practices as abominations, because that is what they are- violations of His natural order and natural law. ESAD, Mr. Will- along with the other appeasers who want to throw in the towel and call evil good.


76 posted on 12/10/2012 7:29:06 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: svcw
Most of the young people I know (under 35, think that the government has no business in the marriage business....

Most of the young people under 35 are not getting married anymore either. To them, nobody has any business in the marriage business.

Gay marriage is not the birth of a new civil right, it is another nail in the coffin in the attempted live burial of the most ancient and enduring social bond, instituted by God and ultimately furiously and overwhelmingly defended and avenged by Him.

Matthew 19:6
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

77 posted on 12/10/2012 7:31:55 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: TChad

By asking for the “evidence to the contrary”, you imply that you do trust the source.

And if this were a one-time or one-issue thing out of Mr. Will, it may be considered an anomaly. But it is not.


78 posted on 12/10/2012 7:34:58 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Strategerist
Will is getting old and funky and slow witted. The polls don't work anymore. PEW says pollsters typically get barely a 9% response rate. That's such a low number that if homosexuals simply bother responding 100% of the time, they amplify their opinion 11X.

That's why polls show support for gay marriage and referenda show no support for gay marriage.

This poll separating older people from younger people does little more than support the idea that polls can't be trusted anymore. Of course older people oppose gay marriage ~ but due to their remarkably shorter lifespans, there are no old gays to distort that answer. However, with most gays being quite young, they probably cast much more than an 11X shadow ~ possibly 15X!

The Supreme Court might tell us biological pair bonding is not a good guide to the ordering of society, but what do they know.

BTW, you disputed me on this with the Romney polls. As I recall you thought he was winning ~ based on polls showing him ahead, and I thought the polls were all cr*p and could not be trusted.

With the homosexual community supporting Romney ~ their big buddy since gay marriage days ~ their inordinate dominance of Gallup polls made it look like Romney was winning ~ but he lost!

79 posted on 12/10/2012 7:40:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Theophilus

pair bonding is biological in origin. God’s supposed to be involved in creating biology ~ whether marriage is a social belief is up in the air, but pair bonding is cold, hard fact!


80 posted on 12/10/2012 7:42:20 PM PST by muawiyah
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