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How Obama Won, and Lost
The Claremont Institute ^ | November 27, 2012 | James W. Ceaser

Posted on 12/10/2012 2:15:57 PM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 12/10/2012 2:16:04 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

No need to read this lengthy article.

The Takers Beat The Makers. That simple.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 2:19:23 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: neverdem

Cliff’s Notes version:

1. Americans reject freedom, in favor of perceived “security.”

2. Southern Baptists will be the predominant faith in Afghanistan sooner than the GOP wins the White House again.


3 posted on 12/10/2012 2:33:33 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: neverdem

I’m worried about demographics.
During my lifetime, California always seemed a generation ahead of the country as a whole in many respects.
Sadly California today represents the future of the USA.


4 posted on 12/10/2012 2:36:50 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: neverdem
Yet when it comes to enacting a governing program, the 2012 election is hardly favorable to Obama.

BS. Obama holds all the cards. The republicans' first instinct when dealing with Obama is to surrender.

5 posted on 12/10/2012 2:37:29 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: neverdem

Prof. Ceasar’s analysis is spot-on. We have emerged from this “Staus Quo” election with all the momentum moving steadily in a leftward direction.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 2:41:45 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nascarnation
Sadly California today represents the future of the USA.

I agree. As wealth creators and business people take flight from California, thereby snowballing the downward trajectory, I can see them doing the same thing from the U.S. Sometime in the future, some foreign country is going to catch on and offer very lucrative incentives to relocate operations "over there."

7 posted on 12/10/2012 2:42:07 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: nascarnation

Well, yes. California IS a generation ahead of the country as a HOLE in many respects. - Where the Democrat socialists control a place long enough, the graft, corruption and failed “progressive” policies result in a HOLE (Detroit, D.C., California, etc.) . . And they like to rant about how backward we are out here in “flyover” country.


8 posted on 12/10/2012 2:45:36 PM PST by Twinkie (The WICKED walk on every side when EVIL men are exalted. Psalm 12:8)
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To: neverdem

Obayma won by having more dead people vote for him than voted for Romney.


9 posted on 12/10/2012 2:46:36 PM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: neverdem
The shape of American politics now resembles more the model of "blue" states like California, Illinois, and New York . . . .

The ruling class elite New Normal.

Abe explains from "the other side."

You initiated a policy to tolerate the Marxist-Alinsky radicals and let them rant; not only has it not ceased but was constantly augmented by decades of infiltration and indoctrination. You now have two Americas. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half statist and half free; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 2:49:24 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: neverdem; All
A status quo result means the maintenance of a new baseline of government activity, a change not dissimilar to what took place after the New Deal and the Great Society. Politics in America will revolve around the consequences of this new order, but the order itself will not be undone.

I happen to disagree. The Tea Party mentality is not gone, and it has not gone underground.

We shaved off some of Obamugabe's numbers from his "historic" 2008 win, but just couldn't go over the top.

The fight against statism has been delayed, but it isn't over...and won't be until freedom rings.

11 posted on 12/10/2012 3:01:12 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper; neverdem; All
To put it another way: these folk have never heard of the Battle of the Bulge, apparently. A bulge has happened in our invasion...but it will recede, and we will hold fast. This is a war for liberty, not a mere conflagation of bureaucracies. Bank on it: freedom will win.

A status quo result means the maintenance of a new baseline of government activity, a change not dissimilar to what took place after the New Deal and the Great Society. Politics in America will revolve around the consequences of this new order, but the order itself will not be undone. I happen to disagree. The Tea Party mentality is not gone, and it has not gone underground.

We shaved off some of Obamugabe's numbers from his "historic" 2008 win, but just couldn't go over the top.

The fight against statism has been delayed, but it isn't over...and won't be until freedom rings.

12 posted on 12/10/2012 3:04:21 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

sorry man we are done! aint gonna be pretty! the takers have overtaken the makers!


13 posted on 12/10/2012 3:21:58 PM PST by kevman (happily intolerant of things i will not tolerate!)
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To: kevman

Nope. Surrender is not an option.

Thank God your type of fatalism wasn’t around in 1776, 1917, and 1941.


14 posted on 12/10/2012 3:24:05 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: neverdem

Romney violated every successfull campaign tactic thatever was

Stuff like this is being bombarded here on FRs....Because it defends the status quo ...Walk away from a religious belief... Amnesty is the solution ...Missed demographics I loved that one lets start with that one...

Expecting voters to know what’s going on and their reliance on MSM is just part of why our great loss. While there are examples of fraud which may close up the gap, the gap is too big to blame the loss on fraud .

..For GOP E’s to address media bias or for Romney to call Obama a congenital liar or even point out that the fact and figures released by the white house were allways questionable is another Let alone call him a “socialist”..

But the fault lies really in the messaging the Republican campaign came up with choking on political correctness or triping over past positions on global warming and Romneycare. Both of which were bread and butter issues. .Then busy responding to pseudo positions devised by the demo-com party and echoed by their hand maiden camp followers in the media allowing them to set the agenda ..

Romney ran a “Johnny One Note Campaign”. Used a poison dart blow gun when he should have used a cannon loaded with grape shot because he had pleanty of stuff he could fill that cannon barrel with..

They failed to hammer away on what will happen when Obama gets returned; The Obama past due 2013/14 Tax Increases.

Refused using bread and butter pocket book issues.
Like The impact of Obama’s gagging energy.resources.(a socialist construct never branded as such) with policies requiring reliance on intermittent sources wind and solar and that resulting in massive corruption .,restricted use of drilling, and coal ,bans and on fracking, and resulting prices doubling on everything.. This was a bread and butter issue which reached into every “demographics” pocketbook including accepting the demo-com definition of hyphenated African-Hispanic -Americans .

Never heard .The impact of Supreme Court Appointments.. 18,000 new IRS agents and on and on. . Some were very briefly touched most weren’t and Benghazi/ foreign policy was left to languish.

Then there is Obama’s personal extravagance and behavior refusing to visit Nashville after its disaster showing up at New Orleans after Mitt visited it. Even after the Christi thing if that was brought up it would have blunted the impact.

Instead we got a sales pitch on executive ability but not the reason why one should toss the old model and buy his. That print and tv pitch , 20 million new jobs, was given a discrarded dose of skepticism .

In addition Rove who I understand was handling the Charter PAC senate campaign played games. His material never warned voters that IF OBAMA GETS RE-ELECTED AND SENATE CONTROL REMAINED . .. OBAMACARE AND ALL THE TAX INCREASES THAT GO WITH IT WILL NEVER GET REPEALED Let alone tie into or cover the formentioned grape shot which would have perhaps changed that body. I don’t recall any of that material directed toward that fact.

Finally they didn’t believe the polls which turned out were dead on. Even going as far as setting up focus groups which could have looked into what’s going on . Even to the point of going out to local eateries and bars and eavesdrop into conversations and pick up on topics being discussed.(chat rooms twitter too contrived) They would have learned their turnout projections were off and the sence of urgency to get out the vote was diminished by their glowing projections and disbelief never mind ORCA which should have been tested. COMPLACENCY WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE MEDIA AND NOT COUNTER ACTED UPON

Our local small population (-8000) rural blue county GOP had at the outset good and growing attendence at their meetings 50 plus. At the meeting the Thursday before the election only about a dozen people showed up and I knew we were in trouble .

Nuts...This loss is inexcuseable, while I trully don’t believe Mitt Romney would ever continence losing, I’m begining to believe that most GOPE’s really didn’t want to see AHCA, (affordable health care act) otherwise known as ZerO care go ..

For the entire presentation take a look at
http://www.theusmat.com/


15 posted on 12/10/2012 3:28:39 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: tennmountainman
No need to read this lengthy article. The Takers Beat The Makers. That simple.

Well, not quite. No need to go over that cliff just yet. It isn't "It's all over, the Communists won" time.

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The shape of American politics now resembles more the model of "blue" Communist-led states like California, Illinois, and New York, which are trying to cope with the huge new demands ....and have dramatically altered expectations of what citizens regard as entitlements. Every new benefit is meant to create a new supporter, one who will be resistant to any cutbacks.

The Communist-led model involves paying off big-state voters with spoils from the rest of the country, whose political development continues to diverge from the New Deal/Great Society vote-buying model.

The divergence will accelerate under Obama, and the Union model will successfully resist, eventually, the coils of the Communist model because the Communists command so narrow a base geographically that a geographical solution -- expulsion from the federal Union of the Communist prebends -- will eventually become irresistible to the states being exploited through the Lincolnite-New Deal-Great Society model of omnipotent central (not federal) government. The current political advantages of the Obama Administration all rest on unconstitutional laws and opinions of the Supreme Court, all of which are subject to revision by a later Court.

The Obama Regime (the "new" level of Government domination of the economy and citizenry) has a legal but not a constitutional basis and is therefore vulnerable.

16 posted on 12/10/2012 3:31:56 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: neverdem
More halucagenic babbling from the elite...

o_lord & o_saviour must be laughing his ass off when he sees articles like this...

17 posted on 12/10/2012 3:32:23 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: lentulusgracchus

-— the Communists command so narrow a base geographically that a geographical solution — expulsion from the federal Union of the Communist prebends — will eventually become irresistible to the states being exploited -—

Hmmmm... Makes sense. Thanks.


18 posted on 12/10/2012 3:39:13 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: SoFloFreeper

Where there’s life there’s hope. (And not O’s hope and change boloney.) May God avenge this nation from those who seek to destroy it and who openly mocked and denied Him in their party’s convention.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 4:11:46 PM PST by Faith
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To: neverdem

I suppose this kind of balderdash appeals to some. “Baloney!” is what I say.

I say Obama won his first term simply because he is considered “Black” and a sufficiently brainwashed, politicly correct society dared not do otherwise and risk being called “rascist”. So he was elected despite the warnings of a brave few that he was a born and raised Communist/
Marxist and not at all in love with the concept of our free capitalist way of life. A mentally lethargic, propogandized majority was too busy with trivial mind slop to learn the first fact about the man beyond his skin color.

That Obama won a second term was no surprise to anyone who had watched the previous four years of his Administration. During that time they perfected the art of taking advantage of the mentally challenged American public. Republicans and Conservatives smiled behind their hands at a President who bantered inanely on daytime TV and spent more time on YouTube offerings than he did in security briefings. Republicans were oh so busy promoting their values of small government and personal responsibility to a population who no longer have a clue as to what that even means and couldn’t care less.

Don’t get me wrong. I am (was) a Republican myself. We got to this point in history by compromising(with wrong principles), compassion(for those who least deserved it), and tolerence( for the lawless, the perverted and the traitorous.) Republicans, despite their state of denial, are finished along with whatever remains of their ideals. I won’t be a part of the pathetic attempt to out-Democrat the Democrats.

Perhaps a future generation will ressurrect common sense and freedom from bureaucratic oppression as a platform for a new political movement. I don’t expect that in my lifetime.


20 posted on 12/10/2012 4:18:02 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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