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To: A_Former_Democrat

-———Nowhere else to go but there.-———

The intended path is pretty clear to me. It is not as you say

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what follows is deduced theory and not condoned practice.

The democrats all ready have the long term solution. It is cap and trade. The liberals have dug a hole from which they can’t climb out. They have incrementally given their voters the ability to pay no taxes at all. There is no way they can take back the no tax position. At least 50 % of the population is in that group of nontax payers.

The solution is to provide a tax on the nonpayers that is not a tax and that is paid unknowingly. The payment fuels hate of someone else rather than the corrupt, vote needing, democrat, politician, liars. The solution is Cap And Trade.
The tax is levied on energy producers, all energy producers, that then can raise rates to all consumers. Since the tax is uniform it does not effect rate competition and can by all be passed on with no effect on sales. When passed on it is effectively a trickle down tax. I say energy producers but I think it is mainly electricity. It is a tax on electricity sales covered with a carbon fig leaf described as first aid for man made climate change.

The real and only solution to eliminating the debt is inflation that devalues the amount owed over time. The cap and trade induced rise in energy costs will be hidden within the coming general inflation. That is, the pain and associated hatred will be mitigated somewhat by the general rise in the cost of everything.

The Cap and Trade tax trickle down is coming. That’s what it is, a trickle down consumption tax. Many have tax proposals, VAT, Fair Tax, etc that will cause the 50% of non payers to cough up their fair share. But they are all taxes and new taxes will be strongly resisted by the 50%. An indirect trickle down tax will not be understood when sold as a planet saving necessity.

The beauty is that the value of the tax is compounded. In the coming inflation, the incremental total will be increased compounded by the inflation rate. As all prices, including energy prices are increased the $ value of C&T receipts increases as well.
Since the election, two efforts have begun. The first is to renew the media attention to those insisting on the need to curb climate change. The other is the effort by unions to increase wages. Both are harbingers of inflation. Cap and trade increases costs across the board for all business. In an economy with unemployment wages do not rise. For the needed inflation, labor costs must rise and push general costs up. The wage inflation is being pushed by the unions and will lead to general wage increases in spite of high unemployment.

Then there is the no tax pledge. One must wonder if supporting cap and trade violates the pledge? Charging a fee for carbon emissions is not actually a tax. The fee is like usage fees for visiting a National Park or the ports or perhaps a toll road. For a politician, even a Republican politician, voting for a fee is not voting for a pledge prohibited tax.


5 posted on 12/09/2012 10:50:12 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: bert

Yet spending will substantially accelerate, so any reductions are offset, plus more deficits. The more they “cap” etc the worse the economy gets, and so on down the line.

As I said, the only solution is cutting spending.


6 posted on 12/09/2012 11:00:19 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: bert

Interesting. Seems to me a VAT might be better. Still hidden but easier to manage and it affect everyone in the supply chain, not just the energy producers.

Ideas?


9 posted on 12/09/2012 6:05:03 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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