Posted on 12/08/2012 1:42:01 PM PST by neverdem
You obviously missed the point.
The Whigs fell apart not long after the 1854 election. The Republican Party formed by the fusion of old Whigs, Free Soilers, and some anti-slavery Democrats. By 1860, the GOP had established (after a bit of unpleasantness) electoral domination for two generations, basically until 1932.
I don’t see why we have to remain tied to the GOP. Saying that we have to be is simply simpleminded and a lack of imagination. The GOP can go away, and we’ll be none the worse for it. Better to build something else using conservative GOPers, conservative independents, while picking off some Democrats who lean to the Right but haven’t given up their Party yet because the GOP doesn;t really offer a better alternative.
What would George Washington say to us today? This is a contest. . .
This is why Romney lost. And there’s no going back. There exists a majority that will vote themselves more of other peoples money because they have no skin in the game. All the rest is bs.
...............................................Obama Romney
Under $30,000......................20%.....63%..35%
$30,000 - $49,999..................21%.....57%..42%
$50,000 - $99,999..................31%.....46%..52%
$100,000 - $199,999................21%.....44%..54%
$200,000 - $249,999.................3%.....47%..52%
$250,000 or more....................4%.....42%..55%
Sample: 24157 respondents
I don’t believe it was an “election” in any sense of the word, i.e. where voters go to the polls to find a candidate about whom they have made a considered decision based on their understanding of issues, even if it’s just “D” or “R.” It was a round up; voters who didn’t know anything about either side’s position were herded to the polls by community organizers who had been assigned quotas for each precinct, and told “just get it done.” This is why Nate Silver knew how many were going to turn out. The Obama campaign shared the quotas with him and he knew they’d be met, no matter what fraudulent means it took. So , if it looks funny that a precinct has a 10,000- 0 result, well that’s just factored in. However , the traditional campaign failed to ignite a real response, so Obama fell 4 m short of his 2008 total and election turn out , based on voting age population, will drop at least 5%. Leave alone why Romney didn’t do better; the reality is that this is the best the Democrats could do with their high tech, ground game skulduggery against a surprisingly unsavvy and disengaged Republican party ( the long ,expensive primary campaign is probably the main impediment.) Republicans have no reason to be quaking in their boots. The line has to be that Obama is the first President elected to a second term with fewer votes than to his first term in over 150 years.
This presumes that Republicans are capable of learning ANY lessons.It also presumes the Republicans have values.-PJ
Bunk.
What lost the most recent election for the GOP was two things:
One:
Romney is a Mormon. Everyone pretends to forget that, but it’s a major reason he lost.
Two:
Obama is the first black president.
The two things doomed Romney.
The solution is:
DO NOT NOMINATE A MORMON.
And two:
Obama’s term will be over next time.
Yeh, like I’m going to believe some BS sampling from a bunch of commies and leftists who stole the election.
They’re covering their tracks, jwalsh07.
It was the electoral version of “teaching to the test” if it wasn’t outright fraud.
It sure didn’t feel like a real election. Not to me.
The letter making a compelling case against Obama WAS written, and was given to the MSM to deliver. The MSM rewrote the letter and delivered its version instead of the original.
The case was made, but the delivery system failed.
Bunk doesn’t quite cut it when the democrats win national elections because they turn out large numbers of government dependents in urban areas that vote overwhelmingly for more of your money. But be my guest and cling to the belief that Romney lost because he was a Mormon. I don’t much care.
There actually aren't any moderates ~ just don't exist. Everybody is part of one or more interest groups that tend to debate the big issues that politicians imagine they can resolve.
Romney told donors he was going to focus his campaign on undecided folks in the middle ~ which is exactly why he lost.
He failed to get more Republicans out to vote than Obama did Democrats. That is always a losing game.
Dave, you don’t belive that the left runs up overwhelming numbers in parasitic urban environments? Why not? It’s been going on for years and with illegal immigrants flooding the cities and polling booths it was only a matter of time before they cobbled together a national majority.
republicans can still win the House and they will for a while I think. But national elections are much tougher which is why republicans did nicely in the House and not so nicely in the senate.
Next time, we RUN a true outspoken candidate for AMerica: Colonial ALlen West!
We started hearing in August 2012 that “pretty soon”
Romney would really start campaigning all over and engage Obama. When did he start doing so? I must have missed it.
“Dave, you don’t belive that the left runs up overwhelming numbers in parasitic urban environments?”
You’re on target, buddy. Hell, the commies run up numbers of more than 110% of all voting age adults in places like Philadelphia and Detroit.
Do you know how Gov. Walker in Wisconsin won the recall vote? Waukesha County, a large conservative area in SE Wisconsin, didn’t submit its votes until after the leftist vote total from Milwaukee was submitted.
Rats win because of voter fraud.
I have not seen one shred of credible evidence that this is true. I have voted every presidential election for almost 30 years. The longest I ever waited to vote in the past was about 15 minutes. I waited 2 hours! Same with other family members. This is true of reports ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
Their is significant evidence that voting machines were in fact tampered with.
Confirmed acts of voter intimidation, deliberate delay of military votes, and all manner of fraud.
In the end it's very obvious to anyone with common sense that this election was a sham. It was rigged and stolen right in front of our eyes.
How was it done you may ask? I strongly suspect it was a very simple hidden software routine loaded into electronic machines that simply ran and reduced (deleted) Republican votes by a certain percentage under the democrat votes. This guarantees a win and stays under the recount radar. This theory supports the reason Obama got so many precincts with 100% of the vote. The software routine was not sophisticated enough to compensate for very low vote counts causing ALL ROMNEY VOTES to be eliminated by the program. This is why you have so many small spots were Obama got 100%.
Lastly the reaction of the Republican establishment to the election result confirms my suspicion. They Republican elites (Romney included) KNOW THIS ELECTION WAS STOLEN BY ELECTRONIC VOTE FRAUD. But...since they never did anything going back to the democrats first all out attempt to steal an election (Bush vs Gore, Acorn and "keep your eye on Florida") they are left with no option to try and claim the obvious. The Republican party would look like fools claiming vote fraud now. You can't let one side in any contest continually and openly cheat repeatedly then all the sudden decide go call foul once they cheat in one you really want to win. It's too late then, you just look like sore losers even though you were actually cheated.
Evil has won because good men did nothing.
Sorry, I think your wrong.
Romney did get Repubs out to vote. This election was stolen. Plain and simple. Believing the magic negro won it legitimately is exactly what the ruling class wants you to believe and continue to say.
Look, it was difficult for me to accept what happened this election. Not that Romney lost, but that the election was completely fraudulent.
I will take this belief to my grave. This election was stolen. Which then of course makes me take a second look at 2008. McCain threw that election.
I have no idea why the GOP has let this happen. My guess is they are busy taking care of them and theirs before our nation completely goes under. With no thought of what happens to the rest of us.
At any rate my eyes have been opened. I am disgusted and angry. But what saddens me is that many intelligent FReepers are still believing they have skin in our political process. We don’t. This “if we just do this.. Or if we just run that person” crap I read over and over again on FR is baloney.
We need to wake up. Stop playing the game. We don’t know the rules and we can’t win.
Sorry for the rant, but it’s true. Fraudulent elections. Until we face it, we will never get our Nation back.
That was Thomas Jefferson. He won.
Parties devoted to a sort of elitist ideal of selecting the best person began losing as Jefferson's method won election after election in all regions of the nation, at every level. The Federalists simply dried up and blew away.
Jackson enjoyed a virtual monopoly in US elections. In time one-party politics fell away with the growth of the far more pragmatic group called the Whig party which also sought to win elections and practiced pork barrel politics with a vengeance ~ they, too won many converts to their cause (no surprise).
When they fell the Republican party was formed out of remaining intact Whig units, some smaller party groups, AND, lo and behold, Abolitionist movement units ~ the Abolitionists had not yet succeeded in becoming a political party, but they readily converted to the Republican cause.
Since that time two large coalition parties of roughly equal voting strength have grown up to dispute over who gets the 50% + 1 vote. Each party has its own style, structure, traditions, methods of winning elections and it's own stable of coalition members.
History works to create new factions, so there are cross currents at work, and sometimes a whole large faction will go over to the other party ~ sometimes overnight, and sometimes over a decade or so, but there are wholesale transfers.
What we do not see in this are large bodies of organized independents who have meaningful numbers to influence elections.
We do not see broadly successful third parties that can count on winning elections ~ most such groups focus on influencing legislation or policies in particular areas. They are certainly matched by lobbyists who do the same thing.
Both the major parties currently suffer from having a leadership elite that has money, positions in Congress, and no common sense. Although the Democrats are the worse off ~ with their current leadership elites being actual criminals or mentally ill people, the Republicans are burdened with a very commercialized leadership elite who seem unable to stick to the mechanics of politics!
We call them the GOP-e. At most they command 15% of Republican voters ~ and without the rest of us ~ the Traditionalists, Evangelicals, Catholics, Southerners, Midwestern suburbanites and farmers, TEAPartiers, Right to Life folks, Right to Work folks, and other assorted groups, they'd get just about that same 15% election after election.
What we need to do is come up with a NEW RNC that effectively cuts the GOP-e OUT of party ideological and policy questions and reduces them to fund raising and glad handing. We've already run 11 too many of their candidates in the last 75 years ~ we need to do this differently!
State parties would be asked to send delegates to the NEW RNC instead of to the old RNC ~ and we'd work it from there. New rules, new direction, new faces.......................
I'm still waiting for him to stop smiling and say something bad about Obamugabe!!!!
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