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You know the BS is getting thick when the left invokes states' rights.
1 posted on 12/07/2012 1:20:33 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

We were talking the other day about reciprocity....My beef is with driver’s licenses. One license obtained where you live. When it’s time to renew, if you have moved, you renew it there. Of course the “tax scam” is plates and registering the vehicle every two years (in my State).


2 posted on 12/07/2012 1:26:34 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: neverdem
Only 10 AGs signed that letter.

Only two of them were surprising.

3 posted on 12/07/2012 1:45:56 PM PST by wideawake
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To: neverdem

Eric Schneiderman is a first class d***head. As New Yorkers, we deal with this anti-Constitution AG on a daily basis.

I’m sorry the rest of you have to be subjected to his unparalleled stupidity on a matter such as this.


4 posted on 12/07/2012 1:48:16 PM PST by GnL
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To: neverdem
...he says "would force states like New York, and the other co-signing states, to abandon their own gun laws by allowing out-of-state visitors to carry concealed firearms based on their home state's less safe laws, rather than those of the state they are entering."

Can't allow the plebs a taste of freedom. That would spoil everything. BTT.

5 posted on 12/07/2012 1:50:46 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: neverdem

Don’t know why the NY AG is making such a big stink. There’s a snowball’s chance in Heck Obama would ever sign such a thing.


6 posted on 12/07/2012 1:53:44 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: neverdem
As it currently stands, the Second Amendment guarantees U.S. citizens the right to own firearms. But each state is permitted to place its own restrictions on the types of firearms -- and the manner in which they're possessed -- that people are allowed to own.

So will these same AGs allow "states rights" restrictions on women voting, slavery, cruel and unusual punishment, self-incrimination, or things not even in the Constitution like gay marriage or abortion?

Of course not, there's the catch-all "equal protection" argument!

It's only your 2nd Amendement Right that's... not really a "right" but... more like guidelines... (says Capn' Barbosa)

10 posted on 12/07/2012 2:00:50 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: neverdem

Truthfully I am apprehensive about forced reciprocity, because I fear it opening up a can of worms.

There are a very large number of reciprocity agreements between the states over all sorts of things—with no federal hand in any of it. But this is not to say that the federals would not love to horn in to these agreements if they could.

Right now they do horn in if there is great disagreements, such as over water in the western states. And once the feds decide something, good or bad, the states are stuck with it.

I can almost guarantee that if federal gun reciprocity is passed, the very next efforts will be to make “homosexual marriage”, “abortion rights”, “hate crimes laws”, and other such things as binding federal reciprocity agreements.

And lord knows what all else. So, at least for the time being, it is less harmful to just know that you cannot transport guns through some parts of the US, where the constitution means little compared to the corruption of government.


12 posted on 12/07/2012 2:06:14 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: neverdem

“You know the BS is getting thick when the left invokes states’ rights.”

No kidding.


13 posted on 12/07/2012 2:07:20 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: neverdem
As it currently stands, the Second Amendment guarantees U.S. citizens the right to own firearms. But each state is permitted to place its own restrictions on the types of firearms -- and the manner in which they're possessed -- that people are allowed to own.

What a metric load of horse hockey.

Why then can't each state place its own restrictions on the 1st Amendment? The 4th? The 6th? 7th? 8th?

The truth is, the Constitution is just a convenient fiction. It is no longer operative. The Left has control, and is just deciding its moment to fully seize power, and how many deaths they are willing to entertain to get it.

18 posted on 12/07/2012 3:16:24 PM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: neverdem

State’s rights to repress rights. They’re consistent.


19 posted on 12/07/2012 3:47:37 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem
Nonsense from the article: "These bills would create a lowest common denominator ..."

Now, that would be a problem, wouldn't it.

Imagine if our Founders had been so foolish as to provide a common expectation like, for example, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". That would really be a problem.

The anti-gunners' heads are going to explode unless Obama is able to change the present make-up of the Supreme Court.

20 posted on 12/07/2012 4:34:24 PM PST by William Tell
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To: neverdem

“...Kathleen Kane
Pennsylvania Attorney General-Elect...”

Well, gee, It didn’t take long for this effing witch POS Kathleen Kane to show her true colors.

We’ll see how a couple thousand letters to the Republican Governor and House and Senate, and every gun rights organization in the state organizing against her sticks this right up her ass if she tries her liberal freak BS with Pennsylvania gunnies.

Game on, sweetie.


22 posted on 12/07/2012 6:25:50 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: neverdem

Sure.

Then you would need a separate drivers, marriage or any other license when you visit a state.

Actually, the marriage license thing was an issue in the early 1900’s when biracial couples would travel through parts of the South.


25 posted on 12/07/2012 8:23:59 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: neverdem

Another Harvard educated Jewish lawyer who hates “little people” and thinks he’s just the answer for all our problems.


28 posted on 12/08/2012 4:58:59 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: neverdem
Forced reciprocity is opposed by national organizations including: the International Association of Chiefs of Police; the Major Cities Chiefs Association, representing the police chiefs of 62 major U.S. cities; the National Network to End Domestic Violence, representing 56 state and territorial domestic violence coalitions; the Association of Prosecuting Attorneys; as well as various state law enforcement associations and law enforcement leaders. Forced reciprocity is also opposed by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a bipartisan coalition of more than 650 mayors who collectively represent 54 million Americans.

In other words, the Reciprocal Right to Carry law is good for America, good for patriots, good for freedom, good for liberty....and bad for the socialist despots who want to destroy our Constitution & rule the country as dictatorial elitists & fascist-socialists.

29 posted on 12/08/2012 6:12:23 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: neverdem
"You know the BS is getting thick when the left invokes states' rights."

That's always entertaining when Lefties start sounding like 'originalists'. When it serves their ends, even Nancy Pelosi can sound like a Constitutional Scholar.(well, that may be taking it a bit too far)

"all of those guns found their way to New York without the help of a reciprocity law."

Did the guns just all walk up to NY all on their own? Maybe they flew. Perhaps an SUV gave them a ride.

32 posted on 12/08/2012 7:20:56 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: neverdem
Michigan DemocRATS have recently asked Øbozo to "[hold] back federal money for a new international bridge project to Canada and a badly needed mass-transit program in ailing Detroit" in retribution [as punishment] for a Michigan vote making Michigan a right-to-work State.

"Punishment" of States by threatening to withhold a pittance fraction of the taxes paid by State citizens to the FedGov must CEASE! Remove that threat, and we remove the FedGov's sole effective power over the States.

Therefore...

It is time for all sovereign "Red" States to begin "Economic Secession" from the "Blue Hellhole" cities and the tyrannical Federal regime.

The first step in "economic secession" should be declaration from all Red States that

"No 'order' (tyrannical fiat) issued by the Federal Executive Branch or any 'regulation' issued by any Federal agency of unelected bureaucrats shall bear the force of law within this State."

The second step in the "economic secession" of the red states from the blue hellholes should be a "Red State 2nd Amendment Reciprocity Bill".

The next step in "economic secession" should be Red State bills declaring all taxes paid by that State's citizens or businesses to be State Taxes -- with the State legislatures releasing to the Federal Government only those funds required to support that State's fraction of essential services (i.e. National Defense) that are Constitutional Federal responsibilities.

States should then be required by their citizens to reduce their citizens' taxes commensurate with the difference between taxes now paid to the FedGov and the pittance ratio of "Federal" funds returned to the state in the prior five years.

IOW, "Red" States should immediately refuse to pay for FedGov waste -- and should should cut their State citizens' taxes commensurate with the savings.

And then, Red States should begin a sequence of withholding their shares of any monies going to worthless or harmful agencies such as IRS, EPA, ATF, HHS, TSB, etc., etc., etc... And then, the States should reduce their citizens' taxes by a proportionate amount.

It is time for "Economic Secession" by the Sovereign Red States!


33 posted on 12/08/2012 9:19:05 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: neverdem

2A legislation is the big stumbling block of centralization. The idiots know if they pass an egregiously stupid law some states will not only ignore it they will completely circumvent it. Kind of like select fire rifles and MGs without the dog license. (FTR I want a M-249) Since America is being reduced to a combination day care center/Jim JOnes cult with people desperate to get out of this show of freedom could set off a rapid demise of the baby sitting regime.


35 posted on 12/08/2012 9:31:28 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: neverdem

One question: Does Schneiderman carry in New York or in ANY state he visits?


36 posted on 12/08/2012 3:24:05 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: neverdem; All

I went to the Village Voice and looked at the comments. Amazingly, all 13 of them were against Mr. Schneiderman.


37 posted on 12/08/2012 4:46:18 PM PST by marktwain
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